How to Lose an Election

Romney Concession Speech
The 2012 election will certainly be noted as a monument to miscalculation and fundamental obliviousness.

For the sake of our country – and our political system – I hope Republicans learn from their experience.

Apparently Mitt Romney was the Republican’s strongest candidate – but he was dishonest, incoherent and insulting to many of the voters he needed.

And his Party wasn’t much better. With a seemingly endless parade of ‘old, angry, white men’ pontificating about women’s health issues – especially rape and abortion – immigration and social services, it was hard to picture the Republican Party as anything but a bunch of opinionated, crabby, racist, paranoid uncles; who wanted to make sure only people like themselves had the right to vote.

And Clint Eastwood’s chair dialog at the Republican Convention was pitch-perfect.

Eastwood’s ‘skit’ expressed many conservative people’s deepest fears – an arch-nemesis with magical powers; a mythical (even invisible) being who, Thor-like, could raise and lower the oceans, create hurricanes and was single-handedly responsible for our social and economic ills – from homosexuality, a stagnant economy, high gas prices, droughts and much more.

Gone was Obama the Muslim, Marxist socialist. After a mere four years, Obama had morphed into a swirling, nearly invincible (even invisible) super-villain.

Meanwhile, Republicans portray themselves as the faithful remnant fighting valiantly for the restoration of a Thomas Kincaid America where everyone has – and knows – their place.

If only, they told us repeatedly, we could cast the evil Obama spirit from our land, all would be well.

They want their America back. And they mean it.

Also by Morf: The Hand is Quicker than the Eye…In Magic and Politics

Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh, before the Republican Convention, told us that America would be better off if women did not have the right to vote. Todd Akin was eager to give us biology lessons on ‘legitimate rape’, and Paul Ryan’s speech won accolades from Fox News for packing in the most lies and deceptions in a single speech.

And his speech was not only accepted – it was cheered.

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And when Romney was asked about his tax plan, he didn’t want to talk it – or his own taxes.

When it comes to health care, he was for it, before he was against it.

He was pro-choice before he was pro-life – except when he wasn’t – or when he was addressing a different audience.

Romney was a moderate, except when he was a ‘severe conservative’.

He railed against the 47% who didn’t work or pay their fair share of taxes – not realizing that he, himself, was in that category.

Even Moroni’s golden spectacles and his Mormon magic underwear couldn’t save him.

With this muddled and meandering history, it’s frightening to even consider what he would have done as president.

One disgruntled and deeply disappointed conservative said to me “I wonder why all the Christians in America didn’t pray for the Christian candidate?”

My response was very simple; “Maybe they did”.


Morf Morford considers himself a free-range Christian who is convinced that God expects far more of us than we can ever imagine, but somehow thinks God knows more than we do. To pay his bills, he’s been a teacher for adults (including those in his local county jail) in a variety of setting including Tribal colleges, vocational schools and at the university level in the People’s Republic of China. Within an academic context, he also writes an irreverent ESL blog and for the Burnside Writers Collective. As he’s getting older, he finds himself less tolerant of pettiness and dairy products.

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Morf MorfordMorf Morford considers himself a free-range Christian who is convinced that God expects far more of us than we can ever imagine, but somehow thinks God knows more than we do. To pay his bills, he’s been a teacher for adults (including those in his local county jail) in a variety of setting including Tribal colleges, vocational schools and at the university level in the People’s Republic of China. Within an academic context, he also writes an irreverent ESL blog and for the Burnside Writers Collective. As he’s getting older, he finds himself less tolerant of pettiness and dairy products.View all posts by Morf Morford →

  • http://www.facebook.com/m.lee.elder Miles Lee Elder

    With all his flaws, Mitt Romney was still the better candidate and the better man. Christians who didn’t support him, were wrong. Meanwhile, America gets screwed over for four more years by a heathen socialist.

    • http://twitter.com/occupy_xnty Occupy Christianity

      Miles, could you do me a favor and define socialism (like, a real dictionary definition) and then tell me how it applies to the President? As for “heathen”, I’m certainly glad that it’s God who decides…not you.

      • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

        Thank you Occupy Christianity! Exactly the movement we need! No Republican has been able to explain a proper definition of socialism to me yet…note that socialism isn’t Marxism either. If you read the beginning of Acts too, kind of sounds like the Apostles were socialists…just saying ;)

        Also check Relevant magazine as to why Obama supports same-sex marriage :)

        • Frank

          We know why Obama supports same sex marriage .. to get elected. He has rejected Gods perfect design.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            BS! Wrong….Here’s a summary:

            Polygynous Marriage

            Probably the most common form of marriage in the bible, it is where a man has more than one wife.

            Levirate Marriage

            When a woman was widowed without a son, it became the responsibility of the brother-in-law or a close male relative to take her in and impregnate her. If the resulting child was a son, he would be considered the heir of her late husband. See Ruth, and the story of Onan (Gen. 38:6-10).

            A man, a woman and her property — a female slave

            The famous “handmaiden” sketch, as preformed by Abraham (Gen. 16:1-6) and Jacob (Gen. 30:4-5).

            A man, one or more wives, and some concubines

            The definition of a concubine varies from culture to culture, but they tended to be live-in mistresses. Concubines were tied to their “husband,” but had a lower status than a wife. Their children were not usually heirs, so they were safe outlets for sex without risking the line of succession. To see how badly a concubine could be treated, see the famous story of the Levite and his concubine (Judges 19:1-30).

            A male soldier and a female prisoner of war

            Women could be taken as booty from a successful campaign and forced to become wives or concubines. Deuteronomy 21:11-14 describes the process.

            A male rapist and his victim

            Deuteronomy 22:28-29 describes how an unmarried woman who had been raped must marry her attacker.

            A male and female slave

            A female slave could be married to a male slave without consent, presumably to produce more slaves.

            and of course …

            Monogamous, heterosexual marriage

            What you might think of as the standard form of marriage, provided you think of arranged marriages as the standard. Also remember that inter-faith or cross-ethnic marriage were forbidden for large chunks of biblical history.

          • 22044

            Ryan,
            There’s a difference between marriages that the Bible talks about, and marriages that represent God’s best plan for people.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Ah…you obviously haven’t studied the Hebrew context for these Scriptures…

            These were laws ;)

            Good thing we’re under grace and not the law these days ;) I’m sure the Republicans could spin a nice comment about rape and pregnancy being in God’s plan…

          • 22044

            Ryan,
            I’m not following, as your response didn’t address my point. Additionally, I didn’t say anything about Republicans.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            I’m saying the Scriptures above were Law – ie. ordained by God ;) These were laws!

          • 22044

            Still not addressing my point.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            I’m saying that you cannot define marriage as between one man and one woman when there are other Biblical arguments for the case…

            Have a watch of this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezQjNJUSraY

          • 22044

            Ryan,
            No sale.
            The NT lays plainly one truth that applies to us today: A marriage that is blessed by God must be between a man and a woman.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            He explains all the verses if you give him a chance to argue for context…

          • 22044

            There are better Bible teachers that exegete the Scriptures properly to support the definition of marriage that I provided.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Have you watched it?

          • 22044

            I said no sale. Are you really dumb or do you just sound that way?
            Because people mess up in their marriages does not change God’s design for it.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Well thank you for being narrow-minded and confirming your own bias. Good day to you.

          • 22044

            I’ll take that as a compliment. Jesus said the road was narrow. Good day to you as well.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Confirmation bias is a terrible thing…

          • Frank

            If only you understood that!

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            HA!

            Comes from the man who voted for Romney who’d start WW3 with Iran…

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Here’s something to think about:

            How about when us Christians get marriage *right* and “blessed by God” can we begin picking out the flaws in others?

            Ie. Raise good kids with loving parents, radically reduce divorce, create environments where kids prosper…

          • Frank

            That’s been refuted ad nauseum. A young man mislead and misguided he is.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            You can’t force your definition of something onto others Frank.. arghadjfs;lkdfj

          • Frank

            Exactly so why are supposed Christians forcing their definition of marriage onto God when God created them male and female?

          • Frank

            Ryan obviously you do not have an understanding of the bible at all. Did you get that fallacious talking on a gay christian site? That would explain things.

    • Frank

      Well I am not sure about the socialist heathen part but the better man most certainly lost.

      • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

        Wow….Thank goodness God’s grace covers your attitude

  • Sheriff Bart

    I doubt whether Morf would vote for a Republican regardless of who it was. You might as well admit that you are a die-hard liberal Democrat. Yes, the GOP committed many mistakes in the campaign, but your bias is showing.

    Why don’t we publish objective articles here.

    • otrotierra

      Where did you learn your magic mind-reading trick to perform on the author of this article? Planet Kolob?

      • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

        Sheriff…if that’s your real name…

        Can you move beyond the label? Voting Republican doesn’t make you a Christian nor does voting Democrat. To believe so is foolish.

        • Frank

          Voting for a platform that celebrates the killing of over 21,000 innocent unborn children each week mostly for reasons of convenience has nothing to do with Jesus or the Kingdom of God. Any Christian who voted Democratic should be on their knees asking for forgiveness.

          • Rapallo

            The Republican Party has not been friends of the pro-life movement either. Consider:
            Abortions by Administration:
            Ford (R): 1974-76 = 3.1 Million Killed (Three year term) adjusted = 4.2 Million
            Carter (D): 1977-80 = 5.77 Million Killed
            Reagan (R): 1981-84 = 6.3 Million Killed
            Reagan (R): 1985-88 = 6.3 Million Killed
            Bush (R): 1989-92 = 6.3 Million Killed
            Clinton (D): 1993-96 = 5.6 Million Killed
            Clinton (D): 1997-2000 = 5.3 Million Killed
            Bush II (R): 2001-04 = 5.0 Million Killed
            Bush II (R): 2005-08 = 4.9 Million Killed
            Obama (D): 2009-12 = 4.8 Million Killed

            (National Right to Life Committee estimate)

          • Frank

            Neither party has done enough but the GOP has most definitely done more and does not celebrate abortion like the Dems.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Let’s take a moment to think back to the Garden of Eden and realize that God has been “pro-choice” since day one.

            *DISCLAIMER: That does not mean I am saying God likes when babies are killed or that abortion is a good idea.

          • Frank

            We have free will to ether accept or reject God. A vote supporting abortion is a vote against God.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            It’s hard for me to love you right now…I’d like to know how many people see you and see Christ’s love within and how many then choose Him because of you…

            What are your thoughts on war?

          • Frank

            Frankly if how you love leads you to ignore the over 21,000 unbroken children killed each week mostly for reason of convenience and allows you to reject God perfect plan for sexuality an marriage than I can do without your “love.”

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Hahah Frankly…and Frank! Clever ;)

          • SamHamilton

            This is a silly chart that says nothing.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Frank, you’re a troll…always.

            Honestly, God has forgiven us and He remembers our sins no more ;) Check out Hebrews for that one!

            We really are living in Grace land. How about instead of trolling, adopt a child and do something instead of telling us where you stand?

            Let’s take a moment to think back to the Garden of Eden and realize that God has been “pro-choice” since day one.

            *DISCLAIMER: That does not mean I am saying God likes when babies are killed or that abortion is a good idea.

          • Frank

            So have you asked for forgiveness if you voted Democratic because we only get forgiveness when we ask for it.

            Its funny YOU calling ME a troll but not surprising based on the other nonsense you have posted so far.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            We don’t get forgiveness when we ask for it lol…have you read your Bible?

            The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves.For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2 Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3 But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4 It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

            5 Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:

            “Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
            but a body you prepared for me;
            6 with burnt offerings and sin offerings
            you were not pleased.
            7 Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
            I have come to do your will, my God.’”[a]

            8 First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9 Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second.10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

            11 Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14 For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

            15 The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

            16 “This is the covenant I will make with them
            after that time, says the Lord.
            I will put my laws in their hearts,
            and I will write them on their minds.”[b]

            17 Then he adds:

            “Their sins and lawless acts
            I will remember no more.”[c]

            18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

          • Frank

            Yes but you cannot be forgiven until you repent. When you are ready to repent you will be forgiven. The biblical ignorance out there is astounding.

            “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9)

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            *Facepalm* http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=hG4X1gVoCUY

            Right…read your Scripture again…. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from ALL unrighteousness.

            It’s this repentance that we do when we FIRST come to Christ and confess our sins. After that, we don’t have to repeatedly confess our sins to be forgiven…

          • Frank

            While you are face palming yourself you might want to study up relational and positional forgiveness so you have a more accurate understanding. That is if you are interested in deepening your understanding of biblical truths.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Unconditional forgiveness is what I preach?

            Why?

            Because Christ has forgiven me!

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            What’s your definition of “repentance”?

          • Frank

            Repentance means to “turn away.” When you turn away from your sinful behavior you have repented. If you keep doing it you have not turned away.

          • Jonathan

            Repentance means to turn into.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Agreed!

            So we need to renew our minds (Rom 12:2) into the mind of Christ, which Paul says we have (1 Cor 2:16).

            We’ve been given the mind of Christ…however, whether or not we renew ourselves to view the world out of that is another matter.

            Repentance is not confession.

          • Frank

            The word in the New Testament usually translated “repent” is the Greek word “metanoeo”. It means “to change your mind; reconsider; or, to think differently.”

      • 22044

        Thank you for sharing a vicious insult toward Mormons. Looks like you still like to troll.

    • otrotierra

      Where did you learn to perform mind-reading magic tricks on people? I can’t find that anywhere in the bible.

  • http://www.facebook.com/sam.edwards.376 Sam Edwards

    Both sides lied. Maybe there wasn’t a Christian candidate to pray for? And the remarks about Romney’s “Magic Underwear” sound more like something Rush Limbaugh would say than a contributer to RLC. Indeed, if HE had said that about a Democratic candidate…yeesh!

    Maybe the best man won. It remains to be seen. We need to keep him, and our country, in our prayers. whether we voted for him or not. (1Timothy 2:1-3)

    • SamHamilton

      I agree. Well said. This type of partisan cheerleading is embarrassing for RLC.*

      *sorry, I can get my R to go backwards…I’m not hip enough.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rickmcopy Rick Middleton

    Jon Stewart to Fox: “What an incredible story to tell yourselves. We would’ve won if it weren’t for the moral failings of the non-real America. Fox lost because last night, minorities, who feel entitled to things, came and took the country away from the self-sufficient, white, Medicare retirees and upper class tax avoidance experts — or, as they’re also known, your audience.”
    Also, I’ll give some free advice to the Republicans: In 2016, have a candidate who will release his tax returns. Have a candidate who is not contemptuous of half the country and who calls 47% of the population “moochers.” If you’re the pro-life party, don’t choose a guy who was clearly pro-choice in his most recent leadership position. If you hate Obamacare, propose a viable alternative.
    You’re welcome.

  • Rapallo

    A party based on Christian principles I think it would be attractive; socially conservative with a good amount of Social Justice. Both Blacks and Hispanics tend toward the social conservatism but since they also tend to be poor they mistrust the Wall Street controlled Republican Party. A truly Christian Conservatism needs to be re-invented.
    The 3rd parties right now don’t have this mix they tend to be extreme reflections of either the Reps or Dems.

    • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

      We need a new economic system. The current system is flawed and not working…

      Have a read of “The End of Growth” by Richard Heinberg. Currently reading through it now and finding it challenging but interesting!

      • Rapallo

        Ryan, I agree.
        I would argue that one needs to re-enchant the world if one is to criticise Capitalism and regenerate the market; moreover, there needs to be a post-secular consciousness that draws all these seemingly disparate areas and approaches together.
        Undeniably, there exists a ‘this-worldliness’ of the sacred and of Christianity as such which needs to brought to the foreground again. However, it is as if Christians have conceded
        any relevance of theology to the secular world, unless, of course, we are talking about abortion and gay-marriage.
        Nevertheless, even early Socialism itself was somewhat ‘counter-enlightenment’ in character.
        Christian religion is, as Marx said, the ‘heart of a heartless world’, a heart that seeks the real light of human love, support, joy, purpose, and universality.
        In this light, to call for a commonweal of family, devotion, mutuality, and locality is a truly radical conservative agenda.

        • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

          “When we truly discover how to love our neighbor as our self, Capitalism will not be possible and Marxism will not be necessary.” ― Shane Claiborne

          • Rapallo

            We must wage a spiritual warfare that benefits the other and frees them
            from the barricades that Satan has placed in their heart preventing
            charity and goodwill.
            Christians on all parts of the economic continuum must remember that it is unity that Jesus desires, not division. Capitalism breeds disparity, but we can’t fight it with state socialism; we have to fight it with love, community, and modesty.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            YES! THANK YOU! Are you on twitter? I’d love to chat more about this!

          • Rapallo

            Ryan, I’m not on twitter. Please send me an invite on fb to Ulrich vom Hagen.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Thanks Ulrich! I have sent a request :)

          • 22044

            You miss the point if you think capitalism is evil. It is not perfect, but it’s a pretty good system for volunteers to engage in mutually beneficial business transactions, and it actually lines up with the principle of stewardship. Even nonprofits have to know how to manage resources.
            A better use of our engagement is to advise on how to redeem it, i.e. all wealth ultimately belongs to God, so we are to take our shares and manage them according to His best principles.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            I don’t think capitalism is the answer.

          • Rapallo

            Perhaps you mean “free market” instead of “capitalism”? It seems we share the same ideas.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Agreed.

            I like your first point though about considering a new system that ensures prosperity and opportunity for people. One day!

          • 22044

            Maybe we do…in the spirit of defining terms, I consider them synonymous.
            Sorry I have to leave this thread, you seem like a good guy. Unfortunately I found Ryan Drake to be tiresome. Best wishes if you decide to chat with him on fb.

    • 22044

      We need to be the Church. The best hope for people isn’t found in political parties or government, but through the good news of Jesus Christ.
      Regarding the American federal government, it’s now being idolized by too many people who have put it as their savior, instead of Jesus.

    • SamHamilton

      I think it would be too, but this just doesn’t seem to be a large constituency. I can hope though…

  • Andrew

    Come on Tony. This doesn’t have anything to do with being a Red Letter Christian. I didn’t vote for either candidate but why is this even on this website? It doesn’t belong.

    • 22044

      It would be nice to see some content about why the Democrats don’t get it either.

    • SamHamilton

      I agree completely. Morf’s rants should stay on his website. This is like ranting to the converted rather than trying to build dialogue among Christians who disagree politically.

  • Erick Derek

    What has this got to do with Jesus? I just want to know more about Christ. Isn’t that the point of “Red Letter”?

    • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

      Hi Erick Derek – that rhymes!

      I think that Mitt Romney and many Republicans see their faith as part of their identity so I think it’s important to address issues where Republican policy might not align with the love of Christ

    • otrotierra

      It has little to do with Jesus, but much to do with Franklin Graham, Mike Huckabee, Focus on the Family, and Pat Robertson’s media empire.

      • 22044

        So you’re agreeing with Erick that the post doesn’t point toward Christ, or even Red Letters?

        • otrotierra

          Franklin Graham, Mike Huckabee, Focus on the Family, and Pat Robertson have all spoken directly on behalf of God, so let’s ask them.

          • 22044

            I guess it’s useless to ask you a question, since you won’t answer it. Good day.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Hahah good call!

      • SamHamilton

        Cha ching! Cha ching! Cha ching! Cha ching! You’re hitting all the boogeymen today!

        People don’t come to RLC looking for a mirror image of Franklin Graham or Pat Robertson. They come here looking for an alternative to these people.

    • David

      Yeah, Jesus probably could have cared less about health care, women, human freedom from systems of oppression, injustice, war, hate, love, how we live together and treat each other. I think he was more about heavenly things like avoiding being taxed, the bottom line and looking out for own good so that we can go to heaven safe, untouched by the evil worldly people and with stuffed barns of gold for all eternity!

      • Michelle

        LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

  • Todd85

    I do think this has to do with Jesus and us as the body of Christ. For one when it comes to Jesus we have to ask ourselves as Christ followers our the people we elect those that follow that image. If this is not the case then our they the better candidate for the country. As for the body of Christ we have to ask ourselves can we be lukewarm in the world and succeed, which I think the answer is no. We either stand for what we believe in or in the end we will be spitted out. Don’t get me wrong this is not a article about bible history or in-depth theologies but it is a reflection on us. I think if you are a Christian and a Republican then you should be willing to have a person that reflects the image of Christ not the image we wish Christ would of been (the same goes for Democrats). Grace, Peace, and Love of Christ be with you.

  • Frank

    Finally the partisanship of this site is exposed in full force. How disgusting.

    Meanwhile the Democratic platform celebrates the killing of over 21,000 Innocent unborn children mostly for reasons of convenience and this what a supposed Jesus follower focuses on? Could this site become even more irrelevant?

    • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

      Let’s take a moment to think back to the Garden of Eden and realize that God has been “pro-choice” since day one.

      *DISCLAIMER: That does not mean I am saying God likes when babies are killed or that abortion is a good idea.

      • Frank

        Yes we have free will. Free will to go against God or not. Abortion is against God. We should not support that in any way, shape or form, including how we vote.

        • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

          “Pro-choice” buddy…we’re not to force our beliefs onto people who don’t believe…

          Are you from Westboro Baptist Church by any chance?

          • Frank

            Haha I knew you’d be forced to expose yourself as you really are. You just made yourself irrelevant! Well done and thank you!!!!

          • keith

            Frank, If he has a daughter lets hope someone doesnt witness her being raped, mugged or beaten and decides to exersize their ‘free’ will to walk on by. :)

          • Drew

            And let’s hope the Republicans are not in power, because they will ask her if it was “voluntary” rape.

          • Drew

            Frank means well. Sure, the trolling is annoying, and his faith is probably dead because he internet trolls and votes instead of actually doing anything that requires time or effort to stop abortion or spread the Gospel. However, I have to give Frank the benefit of the doubt, that deep down inside he does care about these issues, just thinks about them the wrong way.

            We force beliefs onto people all the time, Ryan, and there is no such thing as absolute choice. You are simply deciding to draw the line where you feel comfortable, and Frank is doing likewise.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            This is beautiful “Frank” ;)

          • Drew

            I’m not Frank, so please do not spout ignorance.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Frank-like person

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            I mean, thank you for standing up for Frank :)

          • Frank

            Drew it seems Ryan is incapable of anything else. How someone could think we are the same person is funny if it weren’t so sad.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            It’s hilarious that someone stood up for you :)

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            It’s hilarious that someone stood up for you :)

          • 22044

            Why is that hilarious?

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Sorry Drew! I understand what you meant by this…

            When your comment first appeared on my screen, it had Frank as the author and not you!

            I apologize.

          • http://snommelp.tumblr.com/ Snommelp

            I feel as though the commenting program has a tendency of making that error… especially with guest accounts.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            I love this comment!!!

  • Drew

    Morf,

    I’m disappointed you temporarily suspended being a Christian in order to write an article from a viewpoint of a secular liberal Democrat politico.

    First, there is no need to insult Mormonism or Mormons.

    Second, Obama hardly won with a mandate or because he was a great candidate. The popular vote was relatively close and many voted for Obama because he was a lesser of two bad choices. Obama was dishonest, incoherent, insulting to voters at times as well. Obama did not release a plan for his second term until a few weeks before the election. Obama’s “government built it” episode did not go over well with folks who have worked hard for their own success. Obama made several promises in his first term that he was not able to keep – some through no fault of his own, some through fault of his own – such as drastically reducing unemployment.

    Third, Romney worked hard for his wealth and did pay his fair share of taxes that he was required to. Do you mean to tell me that if you were Romney, you would pay more taxes than you needed to and make extra contributions to the IRS?

    The Republican Party did have problems in this election and they do have big problems moving forward. However, to trash Mormons, look at Obama with blue-tinted glasses, and not being honest about Romney is not a good look on you.

    • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

      Drew, stop with the labels!

      • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

        Also, you should read the number of loopholes Romney went through to avoid paying taxes ;)

        • Drew

          You don’t like labels, and I don’t like condescension. Yes, I’ve read about the loopholes, and so what? Unless he’s in jail, they were legal. Geithner is a tax evader, Romney is not. Fix the loopholes, don’t demonize Romney. Again, have you ever purposefully paid more taxes than you have had to?

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Taxes need reform.

            We still need to care about the orphan, the widow and the poor. We’re not called to judge, just called to love them. That is Biblical…2 000 verses!

          • 22044

            Care about the orphan & the widow with your own resources then, or with your family’s or church’s. Those instructions are not a manual for a proper tax policy.
            Additionally, proper tax planning is actually very wise. I wonder why wisdom is being scorned.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            I think that if the church acted like the church, the government wouldn’t need to step in and care for the poor and orphans though!

            21st century Christianity has become so self-absorbed…no wonder people hate institutionalised religion – it stinks!“When we truly discover how to love our neighbor as our self, Capitalism will not be possible and Marxism will not be necessary.” ― Shane Claiborne

          • Frank

            Funny the most self absorbed person in this comment section is you.

          • Jonathan

            Again Frank ads nothing except gas to the fire.

          • 22044

            So what will you do to reform the church to be the church? Bellyaching on this blog won’t do it. Your point about self-absorption does not apply.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            You can’t reform the institutionalised church…you have to get out of organised religion to understand that when Christ set us free, He truly did!

            We are not bound by religion, religious services and sermons, unbiblical tithing and worship etc…

          • 22044

            Jesus loves the church. It is His plan to reach the world. Why do you hate it?

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Define church for me please?

            The word ‘church’ in the New Testament is translated from the Greek word ‘ekklesia’ which comes from two words ‘ek’ meaning ‘out’ and ‘kaleo’ meaning to ‘call.’ An ekklesia or ‘calling out’ was not just an assembly.

            It’s not a flipping building…we don’t “go to church”, we are the church. We should stop calling our buildings as such.

            Read Pagan Christianity…and you’ll realize where organised religion has gone terribly wrong in history. (No, it’s not about the wars and witch hunts..talking about practices we call ‘Christian’ today…)

          • 22044

            The church is God’s people together. I didn’t call it a building. I didn’t say that people go to church. You’re responding to strawmen instead of anything I said.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            I love the church…hate the institution of judgement,hate,bigotry,racism, unbiblical principles…

          • Drew

            What Churches are institutionally racist, or are you just spouting ignorance?

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Go back to the 60s and many people were against Martin Luther King and quoted the Bible…same with the slave trade.

            KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, white supremecists…

          • Drew

            Never heard of the KKK, Westboro, or White Supremacist denominations. None are institutions.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Incorrect…you can look them up.

          • 22044

            The burden of proof is on you. We’re not interested in your video or your books. Do your own research and convince us. You probably can’t do so, since you don’t respond to any of our points, but keep trying to divert.
            My final comment here since I’m wasting my time, have a good day all.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Why would I try to reproduce the same information or post it in a comment thread buddy?

            I’ve done my research :) The information is out there if you bother to look. Just because you’re ignorant and unaware does not mean those don’t exist…

          • 22044

            You’re a good man Ryan, but you don’t know how to have a discussion. You’ve just complained about the church, God’s design for marriage, an unjust tax code, and a few other things, but you have no solutions. If you’re going to present information you’re the one who needs to back it up. That’s just a fair rule for dialogue and there are no exceptions.
            Sorry, I thought my commenting was done. Now it is for sure. ;)

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            I’m happy to discuss with you outside RLC? :) Tweet me @rdrakey :)

            We can email about this. I’ve been half taking the piss in the comments thread but I’m super loving in person :D

            Have a great day!

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            I hope to see you again on another article :) I think we see eye to eye on a lot of things but it hasn’t come across that way here!

            Blessings.

          • Drew

            None are official Church denominations. They may be splinter groups, but none are “institutions,” much less recognized by Christianity as institutions.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Fudge the institutions. Christ came to do away with temples and religion and heirachical leadership because God is now with us…

          • Drew

            We are not to give up meeting together, so we keep meeting together. You need to keep reading your Bible.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Sure…but they met because of the Holy Spirit buddy…not out of religious duty or obligation… *facepalm* read in context oh my goodness!

          • Drew

            Ah, so you are interested in playing semantical games, I see. You say the Church is not Biblical, but that nothing they are doing is inherently wrong. You can do it different if you want, we have freedom of choice, as you say.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Go back to the 60s and many people were against Martin Luther King and quoted the Bible…same with the slave trade.

            KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, white supremecists…

          • Drew

            Sermons should Bible-based, and therefore, they are certainly important. Worship is always important.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Sermons aren’t Biblical if it’s only the pastor or “the anointed” or someone with a theological degree who’s only allowed to speak.

          • Drew

            I thought we were set free, but you are telling is there are ways we cannot do sermons? Fascinating, tell me more about this prohibition.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            I am saying that if it’s only the pastor who gets to share with the congregation every week about God, that’s suggesting that no one else hears from God but Him or no one is free to speak up and share about their relationship with God.

            Read Pagan Christianity..

          • Drew

            Sorry, I’ll read the Bible, thank you.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Yep…and keep being led in your own confirmation bias

          • Drew

            So reading the Bible is bad, and reading solely liberal authors is good? Fascinating.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            I didn’t say that. Read Scripture in context…go back to the Hebrew and Greek

          • Drew

            Ah, so you’re one of those kind of liberals : ) You don’t read Hebrew and Greek because you care about the truth, you read Hebrew and Greek because you find the most obscure possible translation, and make that “your” version of the Bible. Fascinating.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            No, I continue to try to go back and read it in context…

            The Great Commission isn’t for us…it was for the Apostles. Though we still have a duty to share our faith…

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            In reference to the Matthew 28 verse that every Christian leader seems to quote to promote discipleship…

          • Drew

            He was certainly talking directly to his disciples, but it is meant for us as well.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Actually, no it wasn’t.

            When Jesus spoke to the crowds of people, Theologians agree that those directives (ie. Beatitudes) were directed towards us. Likewise, with Paul’s letters to the churches can be interpreted as direction for Christian living for us too. On the other hand, comments spoken directly to Timothy were for him.

          • Drew

            So by your logic, there should not be baptisms, because only the original disciples were told to make disciples and baptize?

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            I am not saying that…

            I am saying we can model our lives after Jesus – of which He made disciples and baptised people and we’re empowered by the Holy Spirit to do the same thing.

          • Drew

            Of course, Ephesians says to be imitators of Christ.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Yes :) I want to imitate Christ – above Moses, Paul, Peter,David etc.

            To imitate or focus on anyone else more than Christ is a direct affront to what Christ paid for on the Cross.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            I don’t read solely liberal authors…

          • Drew

            Then quote someone besides Claiborne.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            When I feed the hungry, they call me a saint. When I ask why people are hungry, they call me a Communist.
            Dom Helder Camara, Brazilian archbishop

          • Drew

            Someone gave me a thumbs down for reading the Bible? Only on RLC : )

          • http://snommelp.tumblr.com/ Snommelp

            I suspect (only suspect, since it was not my thumb that went down) that it was because your comment implied that you are opposed to reading any other scholarship – Ryan’s suggestion, if I understand correctly, is a book that exposes pagan practices in modern Christianity, and so responding with “I’ll stick with the Bible” seems to suggest that you’re dodging the issue.

          • Drew

            I thought we were set free, but you are telling is there are ways we cannot do sermons? Fascinating, tell me more about this prohibition.

          • americanwoman343

            Ryan, I appreciate your comments, but I ask you to show me where it says in the Bible that all the poor and orphans in the whole society are to be cared for by the church. If we were going to be strictly biblical, we are directed to care for OUR OWN needy and orphans, in the church. I don’t mean to say at all that I think that’s all we should do, but I believe it is a false teaching that many Christians accept without thinking about it, that “the church” ought to care for the poor, and that it is therefore a travesty that government does it. What’s wrong with a government “of, by and for” the people to deciding to care for our poor via taxes and government programs? Not only is it not “not biblical,” but it’s been a pretty good idea. If we were to end those programs right now, and call on “the church” to do it, even with our best and most sacrificial, good-faith efforts, we couldn’t do it – it takes all of us, not just the Christians, to do it together. (and in what way would our needy neighbor feel loved by our insistence that the programs they depend on should be negated so they could depend on whatever aid we could provide for them??)

          • michelle

            Most churches do not want help people beyond the canned goods in the food pantry. Been there, done that, going through that now. That is why government is extremely important. Churches reflect American society: every man for himself and his family and screw everybody else, including poor Christians specifically and poor people generally.

          • Michelle

            Give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God, what is God’s. Christians who seem wedded to republican ideology pick and choose the parts of the Bible they like. Jesus made it clear that citizens are to pay the taxes required of them by their government. I don’t recall where Jesus said that rich people should be storing up their wealth in the Cayman Islands. I do recall passages where JESUS AND THE DISCIPLES PAID THE TAXES REQUIRED OF THEM BY THE GOVERNMENT. They didn’t mumble and grumble about it or hate on rich people or create loony orgs like the Tea Party.

          • Michelle

            I meant hate on poor people and people of color, as Republicans CLEARLY do.

          • 22044

            Way to completely miss the point of my counsel, Michelle.
            Charity & compassion never comes from the government. It’s a serious heresy to believe that it does, even to highlight some verses about paying taxes and submitting to the government above the hundreds of verses in the rest of the NT about building the kingdom of God.
            Everything belongs to the Lord. He has conferred different measures of His wealth for different folks to manage, and all will give an account one day for what they did with their shares. We are to lawfully pay our taxes, but we get no favors from God for following the law, or bellyaching about the wealth that other people manage.

          • Drew

            Taxes do need reform, but nothing you said in this response addressed what I said previously.

          • http://twitter.com/eshowoman Friday Foster-ABWW

            Mitt Romney “rented” Mormon Church’s tax exempt status to avoid paying taxes for fifteen years. He also avoided about $102 million) in taxes by using a financial loophole in the Netherlands. Romney is a tax cheat.

          • Drew

            It’s unfortunate that you are so poorly educate that you slander when you probably do not mean to. Romney used a legal tax loophole that was not closed until after he took advantage of it. It was 100% legal. Do you pay more taxes to the government than is necessary, Friday? Have you ever wrote an extra check to the IRS?

          • Michelle

            Drew, there are many rich people who agree that they should be paying more taxes, not less. Are you the spokesperson for millionaires and billionaires or something?

          • 22044

            Michelle,
            When you can’t stick to ideas and decide to get personal, perhaps approaching ad hominem attacks – your ideas are probably all wet.

        • SamHamilton

          Be fair Ryan. We all take advantage of whatever deductions we’re allowed to under the law. I’m fine with you criticizing Romney’s policy proposals on taxes or the current tax laws, but to criticize him for paying the rates the law says he should pay and taking deductions he’s allowed to take under the law doesn’t make sense.

      • Drew

        If that’s the only thing you took away from my article, I’m disappointed in you.

        • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

          Stop placing Christians in a Democrat/Republican category. More often than not, we are never 100% one side or the other…

          Also, you can like someone without liking all of their policies.

          • Drew

            This article is 150% one-sided, Ryan, which is why I responded the way I did.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Frank, in all honesty, abortion isn’t going to end unless there’s an increase in education and also contraception.

            Abortion isn’t the issue – contraception is! Contraception needs to be in the hands of those who need it most..

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Can we chat off of here?

            I think we do see eye to eye :)

            I am on Twitter @rdrakey

            Blessings

    • Guest

      Pro-lifers and conservatives in general (actual conservatives,
      not neo-cons) need to realize how disenfranchised they are
      in the current establishment. If the Republican Party actually cared
      about abortion, religious freedom, gay “marriage,” contraception, and so
      on, they would never have nominated this guy.

      • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

        If Republicans wish to talk pro-life…explain to me how increasing military spending to 4% GDP (Romney, 3rd debate) will save lives whilst at the same time taking lives? An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.

        • Drew

          Defense of life is pro-life, but I do not agree with the military budget being increased.

      • Drew

        Has nothing to do with my article. However, I agree with you, which is why I’m not wholly comfortable with the Democratic or Republican parties.

    • Rapallo

      Pro-lifers and conservatives in general (actual conservatives, not neo-cons) need to realize how disenfranchised they are in the current establishment. If the Republican Party actually cared
      about abortion, religious freedom, gay marriage, contraception, and so on, they would never have nominated this guy.
      We have been lied to by the GOP and Romney was the most transparent liar of the bunch. If you don’t believe me, wasn’t the mantra “Anybody but Romney” at the beginning of the year?
      Unless we are a real threat to pull our votes away from the Republican Party, they have no motivation to change. Don’t be a shill for them!

      • Drew

        FYI – I voted Obama this election. Then I split my ticket and voted for a Republican for U.S. Senate. I’m not a shill for anyone or any party, just Jesus.

        • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

          I liked the comment that we should be non-partisan but continue to participate…it really depends :)

          • Drew

            This is why you’re so wrong about the Bible, you are not strong at comprehension. I never said or implied that we should be non-partisan or continue to participate. I just answered the charge that I am not a shill. I also abstained from voting in certain races.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            It appeared to me from your comment that you were non-partisan.

            I was simply going to say that I truly do not believe you can be President of the United States and effectively represent Christ in all your policies.

            Why? Because Christ wouldn’t have run to govern a worldly system but was implementing a new Kingdom not of this world.

          • Michelle

            Ryan, great point. Christians will not find salvation in the government system. Republicans equate their party with “The Party of God.” I think the Republican Party is sick, and i do not understand any human being who would ever vote for a racist, poor-people-hating party for *any* reason.

    • SamHamilton

      Well said Drew. This rant doesn’t reflect well on RLC. Thanks for spelling it out for us.

    • Michelle

      Drew…I think I agreed with you a while ago on a topic…but you seem to be defending Romney and the Republicans, who seem very anti-Christian and anti-Jesus in their words, policies, outlook and behavior. And btw, while we do not need to be snarky about Mormons, Mormons are widely considered to be a cult because of their distortion of the Bible and because of their created doctrines.

  • Jonathan

    I like this site at times, and other times it’s as angry as it’s counterpart.

    • otrotierra

      Where is Morf Morford’s anger? I can’t find it.

      • Jonathan

        The fact that you can’t see it solidifies my observation.

        • otrotierra

          Show us the anger you are searching for in Morf Morford’s article, Jonathan.

          • Jonathan

            It’s just propaganda. From the other side. It’s a part of the argument. How is this a beneficial article. It hasn’t pointed out anything we don’t already know.
            —-
            I have heard more objective. Talks on the subject.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Truth isn’t objective….Truth either confirms something or denies something. It’s not objective…Truth is biased toward itself…

          • Jonathan

            Yeah, Ryan, you brought up confirmation bias earlier. I notice several people here are the self proclaimed moderators of this discussion. I’ve also noticed that I’m not the only one who has made a similar comment about this article.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Thank you Jonathan!

            :)

  • Jonathan

    I like this site at times, but sometimes it’s as angry as it’s counterpart. (The pot calling the kettle black)

    • otrotierra

      Where is Morf Morford’s anger? Please show us.

      • Jonathan

        Maybe, he could be fare and talk about the explicit failings of the Democratic party in his next article.

        Or do they have any?

        Though I agree with Morf on almost everything he said.

        • Guest

          Or do they have any?

          • Jonathan

            Though I agree with Morf on almost everything he said.

        • keith

          Jonathan, you will find there are NEVER any articles disparaging Democrats or liberal theology or Racism from blacks etc however you will find many articles castagating good, honest Christians whom they enjoy tearing down and slandering.

          • Drew

            Keith, you admit you come here to be a troll, if they wrote things that you agreed with then you would not be able to be a troll.

          • Jonathan

            Yeah, which is even more wicked, because it leads people astray.

      • http://www.facebook.com/DeepNarcosis William J. Green

        Not anger so much as a bias against the party who freed the slaves and support Biblical marriage and preserving all human life from womb to the tomb.

        • Drew

          Pro-death penalty, pro-war, Republicans hardly have the market cornered on pro-life. That’s the problem with worshiping the Republican Party, William, and getting on your knees and bowing to Mitt Romney.

        • http://snommelp.tumblr.com/ Snommelp

          “Preserving human life from womb to the tomb” would involve more than opposing abortion and then ignoring welfare, supporting capital punishment (is it preserving human life to take it to the tomb early?), and so on. If you value the sanctity of human life, you value the sanctity of human life. Not just fetal life.

  • b3wh169

    I found it difficult to distill this down to the few good points I eventually found. Felt like I had to wade through many generalities (Romney incoherent … I didn’t see that spelled out further in the article, though maybe it was and the point was lost on me) and what I considered odd insults (“Even Moroni’s golden spectacles and his Mormon magic underwear couldn’t save him”). I didn’t find this post to match the quality of other thoughtful pieces I find on this site. Just didn’t add much to the debate for me.

  • jsboegl

    Would not a TRUE “Free-Range Christian” exhibit SOMETHING of the spirit of “Christ”?? I’m sincerely sorry Morf, but I don’t hear “RED LETTERS” in any aspect of your contentious & bitter piece. Rather, my own heart feels grieved by the tenor of this site.

    • otrotierra

      Where is Morf Morford’s bitterness? In which passages does it appear?

      • jsboegl

        Is this a serious question?
        Examples from just the first couple of paragraphs include:
        using words like “obliviousness, dishonest, incoherent and insulting”
        “endless parade of ‘old, angry, white men’ pontificating”
        “a bunch of opinionated, crabby, racist, paranoid uncles; who wanted to make sure only people like themselves had the right to vote.”
        It’s nary impossible to use words & phrases like this and have your heart remain untainted by a judgmental, condemnatory spirit.

        • SamHamilton

          Thank you!

  • http://www.facebook.com/DeepNarcosis William J. Green

    If you do NOT know and understand that to compare is NOT to equate, STOP here. You’re intelligence and cognitive abilities are TOO LOW to understand and appreciate what I’m about to share. You’re graciously excused.

    Governor Romney sins. So does Barack Hussein Obama. Each is in need of God’s salvation in the same way I am and you are. However, viewing both men’s histories side-by-side through an orthodox Judeo/Christian prism will yield that Obama has committed sins and approved of sins that Romney has not and does not. We learned about the sins Obama committed from his “composite” autobiographies and we learned about the sober, chaste, and moral life Romney lived and continues to live by the several pieces composed by the media about his early and current life and lifestyle.

    In short, Obama has had had MUCH more extra-marital sex, done more drugs, gotten inebriated much more often, inhaled much more addictive smoke, than Romney ever has. In addition, Obama thinks that his prenatal grandchildren would be “punishments” to his daughters if they got pregnant unintentionally, and he aids, abets, gives approval to, and funds filicide by abortion. He also supports homosexuality, including homosexual marriage. Romney does not. Obama also believes in forcible confiscation of every tax-payer’s legally hard-earned money to fund abortion and Obama Fones and Bucks; Romney does not.

    Hold on to these. Next . . .

    One of the worst things about a Tyrannical, Mob Rule Majority Democracy is that TOO many who vote on the side of the eventual winner in a democratic election — such as we just had — go on to think, believe, gloat in and boast that they were RIGHT and the loser of the election IS WRONG, morally, ethically, politically, economically, philosophically, theologically, and otherwise. In other words, MIGHT (majority of the votes) MAKES RIGHT. But NOTHING could be further from the Truth.

    And now the comparison. Think: Where else in history have we seen this false belief? A comparison and subsequent vote between a righteous and unrighteous person, one of whom was saved by the VOTES of a majority of a crowd and the other of Whom was condemned by the same crowd because of fewer votes garnered.

    I am indebted to Mr. Curmudgeon for this brilliant insight. See his link below.

    The Jewish Babylonian Aramaic word for “son” is “Bar” (In ancient Hebrew it is “Ben”). It literally means “subject to” or “under the category of.” In first century Palestine “Jesus” was a common name. When Jesus Bar-Joseph was stood beside (Jesus) Bar-Abbas by Pontus Pilate and charged the crowd to VOTE who would be freed and who would be crucified, recall who won the election: the sinless righteous Man or the sinful revolutionary insurrectionist, Bar-Joseph or Bar-Abbas, respectively?

    The majority of the crowd cried Bar-Abbas (literally: “son of Abbas” or “Subject to the authority of Abbas”), not “Bar-Joseph.”

    In the same way the majority of the Jewish crowd (my intent is NOT to be anti-semitic, just relate history) VOTED for the life of (Jesus) Bar-Abbas and not (Jesus) Bar-Joseph (or Jesus Bar-Yahweh), and likely felt they chose well by freeing a man who had literally fought against the Romans for Israeli liberation, many who voted for the Abortionist-in-Chief and Confiscator-cum-Redistributer-in-Chief think they were rightly vindicated by the fact that they cast more votes than those who voted for the much more moral and much less Godless Marxist Mitt Romney.

    Did they make the MORAL, ETHICAL, RIGHTEOUS, and BEST choice? NO! The result? Jesus was crucified and Israel was decimated and many Jews were killed. Barack Hussein was re-elected.

    This is one of the primary reasons our much wiser and sagacious framers framed and gave us — if only we could “keep it” (said Ben Franklin to a woman who asked him what they’d given America) — a REPUBLIC, and NOT a Mob Rule Majority Democracy. They knew, and we’ve already forgotten more than we’ll every know, that the MAJORITY is NOT ALWAYS right or best, and might does NOT make right.

    That’s why we were given a Constitutional RULE OF LAW REPUBLIC and NOT a pure Democracy which allows for lawlessness, immorality and sin to be legislated by majority vote.

    http://www.teapartytribune.com/2012/11/08/give-us-barack-barabbas/

    • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

      William,

      I would like to point to Grace that has saved us from the Law. If the Law was working, there’d be no need for Jesus!

      WOO HOO! My works don’t save me – Jesus does!

  • http://www.facebook.com/DeepNarcosis William J. Green

    There are some great pieces available detailing “What the Hell Happened?” You’ll find links below to some of them which I read and incorporated into this piece.

    The quintessentially objective, measurable reasons are:

    1) Far too many confessing Christians (Protestants and Catholics) voted against God’s Word and voted for the candidate who aids, abets and funds the killing of precious prenatal babies in their own mothers’ wombs. Fifty percent of Catholics and 42% of Protestants and “Other Christians” voted for Obama. Clearly they were willing to disobey the teaching of their churches for some reason and that reason was NOT for the Catholic faith of Democratic President John F. Kennedy who LOWERED taxes and stated, “Ask NOT what your country can do for you but what YOU can do for your country.” In 1963 the individual States still had State laws making Abortion illegal. Whereas Barack Hussein Obama implicitly communicates that he must RAISE taxes — at least on the upper middle class and above who already pay the Lion’s Share of federal income taxes — and that people should turn to the government and DEMAND it give them something for virtually nothing in return. Think Welfare, Food Stamps, extended Unemployment Benefits, Disability, Section 8 Housing, other Obama Bucks, Obama Fones, free rubbers, IUDs, birth control pills, sterilizations, gender reassignment surgeries and hormones, mammograms (which Planned Parenthood does NOT do), abortifacients and abortions.

    2) A Whopping seventy-one percent of Latino/as, most of whom are of either Catholic or Pentecostal background, also voted for the Abortionist and Welfare-in-Chief. Latino/a pundits insist that the primary reason most Latino/as voted against Mitt Romney was NOT Immigration, as Obama lied to Latino/as by NOT passing Immigration reform within his first term, to say nothing of his first year as he promised.

    3) Caucasians stayed home; almost 7,000,000 fewer White folk voted in 2012 than in 2008. It is NOT yet clear why they stayed home but 59% of those who did vote voted for Romney and 39% for Obama (while 55% voted for McCain in 2008 and 43% for Obama). This was one of the DECISIVE reasons Romney lost. A higher percentage of White folk who voted this year voted for Romney than McCain, but the millions who stayed home left him falling short. Guesses why Caucasians stayed home include, but are not limited to:

    a) Romney was NOT conservative enough

    b) Romney was painted by the Obama campaign as opposing the bailout of GM and Chrysler but was actually only opposed to the GOVERNMENT bailout of both by direct loans and actual purchases of equity positions in both (a quasi-nationalization of these companies that derives from Marxist Socialism), and advocated for a private sector bailout WITH GOVERNMENT GUARANTEES OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR LOANS, and government enforcement and honoring of the warranties of both car companies. NOTE: Hardly anyone who flies more than several times per year on more than one airline has NOT flown on an airline in Chapter 11 Bankruptcy. Obama and his sycophants lied by NOT telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help them God, and led many if not most UNIONIZED GM and Chrysler laborers to believe that “bankruptcy” meant Chapter 7 which means they’d ALL lose their jobs and GM and Chrysler would be no more. As it is Chrysler is now 70% owned by the ITALIAN car company Fiat which is increasing production and jobs in China and is seriously considering moving some U.S. production and jobs to Italy. GM has since opened up 14 plants in China but did NOT re-open the Janesville, Wisconsin plant that Obama said in context was among the GM plants he would keep open if elected.

    c) Romney did not have the personal charisma and rhetorical flourishes of either Ronald Reagan or Barack Hussein Obama.

    d) Romney is Mormon and not “Christian.”

    e) Some White folk did not take kindly to nor understand Romney’s 47% remark.

    4) The numbers of Blacks, young people, and single women who voted in 2008 turned out NOT to be a fluke or outlier; they returned in 2012 and signal a voting trend change.

    5) Related to number 1 above Romney was painted by the Obama regime and came to be perceived as someone who would reduce and/or take away BIG Government welfare-dependent people’s free stuff. Consider the following staggering facts from my current state of New York:

    There are over 70 separate welfare programs operated by the federal government. I’m going to ONLY pay attention to the BIG FOUR: Medicaid, TANF (Direct Cash payments otherwise known as Welfare), SNAP (Food Stamps), and Section 8 housing. A family of three comprised of a single parent mother and two children are eligible in New York City for the following benefits:

    Medicaid: $2,313 each for her two children plus $2,926 for herself = $7,552/year

    TANF: $753/month x 12 months = $9,036/year

    SNAP: $401/month x 12 months = $4,812/year

    Section 8 housing: $965/month x 12 months = $11,580/year

    Sub Total: $32,980

    For “shits and giggles” let’s throw in an Obama Fone valued at $100 plus service valued at $40/month = $580/year

    Grand Total: $33,560/year TAX FREE.

    The taxable equivalent Gross Value of these benefits at a 15% Effective Tax Rate for Federal, State, and Local taxes = $39,482/year.

    $39,482 dollars is equivalent to a before-tax full-time (40 hours/week wage of $18.98/hour PLUS the Social Security and Medicare matching required by her employer which is $3,047.91/year.

    Remember: Minimum Wage is $7.25/hour or the full-time equivalent of $15,080/year. Who in their right mind, with or without a G.E.D. wants to make $15,080/year WORKING HARD when by HARDLY WORKING they can elect Barack Hussein Obama who will give them the equivalent of $39,482 of Other People’s Money worked hard for and legally earned, with the caveat that $15,393 of that amount was borrowed from China, Russia, Japan, Venzuela, Iran, the EC and/or printed up by the Fed out of Thin Air, which their children will repay with interest in 10, 20, or 30 years.

    Finally, I leave you with this thought. The Senate reported that in 2011 a total of $1,100,000,000,000 was spent by federal, state and local governments on all 70+ welfare programs. The average spent per welfare-recipient home was a whopping $61,000 (This is NOT what the average welfare-recipient home received but what was SPENT). How much bureaucratic siphoning off in the forms of inefficiencies, cost-ineffectiveness, overpaid government workers’ salaries and benefits, fraud, abuse and waste must exist in a $1.1 Trillion annual program if 3-member New York City homes (atypical of the nation; homes in other states receive less because of a lower cost of living) receive about $39,482 from just four of the 70+ federal welfare programs when a total of $61,000 per welfare home was spent?

    This is another argument why the federal government, in keeping with the Constitution and the father of the Constitution, James Madison’s adage, “I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents,” should get out of the Welfare business altogether, reduce an equivalent amount of federal income taxes, return Welfare to the States, and encourage private citizens to give generously to their local churches, synagogues, temples, private charities and philanthropies (as Conservatives already do as a greater percentage of income than Leftists).

    What the Hell Happened to that other $21,518 per welfare-recipient household?!

    Oh Yeah, see the Twitchy.com link below for all the Obama voters who tweeted their delight that they get to keep their Food Stamps because Obama won!

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/11/08/the_case_of_the_missing_white_voters_116106.html

    http://twitchy.com/2012/11/07/entitled-obama-supporters-rejoice-that-they-can-keep-their-food-stamps/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter

    http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/332753/two-americas-michael-barone

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/2012-exit-polls/table.html?Post+generic=%3Ftid%3Dsm_twitter_washingtonpost

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/10/do-welfare-recipients-have-an-incentive-to-work/

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/over-60000-welfare-spentper-household-poverty_657889.html

    Oh, and in “fairness” if you want a trash and garbage piece here’s a link to Bill Maher’s inanity.

    http://www.real-time-with-bill-maher-blog.com/real-time-with-bill-maher-blog/2012/11/8/why-the-republicans-lost.html

    • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

      William, thanks for being a modern day Pharisee. I can see you taking up the role of judge, which wasn’t meant to be for us…

      Cheers buddy!

    • Questioning

      There you go again William. It would seem you think all we need to do is vote in a white male Evangelical Christian and all our troubles would be over. You excel at pointing out things you perceive to be problems, but I have yet to see any solutions. Obama is not solely responsible for any of the things you mention above, nor would Romney have done anything about them. In the middle of your profanity laced tirade, I cannot help but see someone who would like to see black people back picking cotton and drinking from separate water fountains. Really, your demagoguery is disgusting, and just for fairness, I thought the tone of this blog was just about as bad. I agree with much of what the author said, but tone was way to “gleeful”. We need healing now, not “I told you so’s.”

      • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

        Hey Questioning,

        You are awesome!

        Do you have twitter?

        • Questioning

          frayed knot Ryan…. I spend too much time on here as it is and I am not always sure I should.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            Please email me: ryan@ryandrake.com :) Love to keep in touch!

    • Aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh

      Call it the reflexive support of the underdog, but if all the disadvantaged people (poor, minorities, etc) are voting for a particular person, that says something to me. Are Christians supposed to favour the strong or the weak?

  • http://www.facebook.com/DeepNarcosis William J. Green

    There’s this great Godly concept within the Gospel called “Repentance.” When you change FROM the wrong/sinful view of filicide to the right view — that is you begin to OPPOSE it — that’s called repentance; NOT flip-flopping. If you’ve never done repentance you may need to consider doing it for the first time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/DeepNarcosis William J. Green

    If I was forced to wager who has led a more Godly life, the Mormon or the convert from Islam to Black Liberation theology, my money would be on the Mormon. Any check of Mitt’s background when it came to PERSONALLY contributing to charity, giving of himself to needy others, and living an upright, sober, moral, holy and righteous life Mitt has done so. Whenever he’s been WRONG on a position he’s later on repented and took the right stance on it; unlike Obama who first opposed homosexual marriage in accordance with the Scriptures and now not only endorses and approves of it but thinks it should be legalized. Obama has ALWAYS supported filicide, even including allowing BORN babies who survive failed abortions to die unattended in medical waste closets. God Help him and U.S.

    • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

      Mitt is worth over $200 million….yep…tell me how Jesus said that He’d bless the rich?

    • http://snommelp.tumblr.com/ Snommelp

      William, you are taking a rather hypocritical stance here, attacking Mr. Obama for being a “convert from Islam” (I have found no evidence of this, but it doesn’t matter) immediately after (and also immediately before) shouting about repentance – when one changes one’s heart from the wrong view to the right view. Based on your rants, it would seem that repenting for one’s views on abortion is the ultimate salvific act, but repenting for one’s past and accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior is meaningless.

      Please drop your Pelagian pretenses. That heresy was denounced centuries ago, and has no place in the Church of Christ.

  • Homer2332

    Attacking others isn’t a strategy for love Morfie!

  • keith

    First of all you are typical of liberal, mainstream, think tanks that have nothing to do with God or anything thereof. Your assessments of why Romney lost are totally inaccurate and insulting to those who worked to try to get this country on another path. Who do you think you are calling the Rep party a bunch of old angry white men??? You disgust me and furthermore you insult your own gender and race which is a sign of igorance. Mitt lost because we now have an extremely large population of people who think that Govt is their ‘daddy’. Then we have the ones who voted just because hes “black” 98% of the blacks voted for this president….Dont tell me thats not racist or on second thought you probably cant see it for your liberal blinders. The main reason Mitt didnt get elected is because the Mainstream LYING media chose to support one candidate and one candidate only. The statistics bear out that Mitt lead in almost every area when polled. In ‘the ability to correct the economy” first and foremost however the one statistic that was one sided was this one. “Who do you think cares about you and your family” This one was 86% Obama and 14% Romney….There is no logical explanation for him to lead in every other area except for the fact that Obama had no record and therefore set out to assasinate Romney along with the pathetic liberal medias help. It was drilled into the ignorant public’s head that Mitt was the ‘R’ word….He was Rich. He cant be trusted. OMG what a farce and what a LIE. Romney has a resume filled with compassion and contributions to the needy.

    As for your misrepresentation of his tax plan. He explained it unlike Obama who shared NOTHING about his plan to get our debt under control. His “full” comments about the 47% were true. The lying sob who leaked it, didnt turn in the whole audio. It was edited like most other BS the lying mainstream media put out. He didnt need to try and get the vote of those people because they vote straight Democrat because they know they will get what they want. Twisting what was said is the same as lying buddy. Romney has more class in his litte toe than the “America hating, Robin Hood wannabe, arrogant, lying” man that is in office again because America has become so dilusional that they think a man with no experience, wants to redistribute our wealth to other countries, ignores our closest ally, doesnt have the guts to call the Ft. Hood Massacre a terrorist attack but calls it “work place violence”, allowed 4 Americans to be slaughtered while he WATCHED, received a nobel peace prize because hes ‘black’, etc etc etct is a better choice than a man with NO skeletons….There is no intelligent reason he should have been elected. This fraud perpetrated on America will lead to a division maybe even deeper than the civil war did. I vote we draw a line at about VA and let you guys have the top half and we will take the bottom.

    When he is done with his attack on America and you are living either in 3rd world like conditions or your freedoms are completely gone then and only then will you wake up. I would rather be one of those ‘angry white guys’ than those who are comfortable with taking God out of their lives and platform, comfortable with killing babies at any time, comfortable with taking from the people who prosper to give to the ones who wont do anything, comfortable with lifestyles contrary to Gods word and proud of it, comfortable with shutting down dissent when it doesnt match their agenda, comfortable with allowing blacks to issue death threats and whine and make up racial issues, etc….I could go on for a lonnnnggg time as your party is the party of the deadbeats, the socialist agenda, the party the communist party is backing and actually has members in your legislature, the party of GREEN which wastes our money and costs us jobs.

    I will end this and say one more thing. You deserve this scathing rebuttal as you crossed the line making this site blatanlty political. I vehemently disagree with your illogical and errant assessments. I make no bones about it and dont care as Im not one to worry whether you like me or not for I can tell we would not be around each other for very long. I view you as the enemy of what is right and good. No amount of ‘thumbs’ would bother me. In fact the more I get on this site the more I know I am right.
    And I dont mind calling you out as a liar since you so blatantly called Paul Ryan one. You deserve your POTUS

    • otrotierra

      Why is Jesus missing in your comments Keith?

      • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

        You’re a champ! High five :D

        • 22044

          Please don’t encourage her.

          • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

            She’s a woman?

            Mind blown!

      • Frank

        There was no Jesus in this blog post.

        • Drew

          Exactly, Frank. The more you and Keith are on this website, the less you talk about Jesus, and the more political and more angry both of you get.

          • keith

            I believe you called Morf out for posting an aritcle that has nothing to do with the ‘supposed’ purpose of this site. And for the record, I didnt write the article but I fight for all the impressionable minds who read this garbage and think its mainstream thinking. The ones who dont have a problem with drugs,, alcohol, homosexuality, or anything else for that matter because its all good bro…..God forgives so lets PARTY….Heyyy

          • Drew

            Thank you for admitting you are trolling this website.

    • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

      Keith, go back to watching Fox News ;)

    • http://www.theradicaldisciples.com Ryan Drake

      You have yet to explain to me how you define socialism…

    • 22044

      Don’t count on OtroTierra to know where Jesus is. She has no clue.

    • Drew

      Every single sentence you wrote was a lie and a slander, Keith. I’d love to have a discussion with you and educate you, but I’m afraid that would take too much of a time. All I would say is that you need to stop being told by Fox News, Drudge Report, and Limbaugh what you should think and believe. A mind is a beautiful thing to be brainwashed.

      • keith

        Well lets go at this without any sarcasm and vitriol. Take them one at a time there Drew. Since they all are lies you better get started.

        • Drew

          I have better things to do than debate four paragraphs of Godless, hateful lies. Just thought I’d point it out. Have a good evening, Keith.

    • Frank

      Very well said Keith unfortunately their are else here that do not see, ears that do not hear and brains that will not understand.

  • http://twitter.com/robmille Rob Miller

    Yeesh. I’m all for the reelection of the president, but this is painful analysis to read. I would hope most voters were better informed & had better reasons to vote for whichever candidate.

  • http://twitter.com/sxmcguire Seán McGuire

    The paranoia and hatred implicit in so many of the comments here is both breathtaking and disturbing. As a Canadian watching American civil discourse, I honestly wonder to myself sometimes whether what I’m witnessing may be the first signs of the fall of Rome.

    I cannot wait for the day when the Church finally comes to fully grasp that because of Christ’s death and resurrection there is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, emergent nor fundamentalist, liberal nor conservative, modern nor postmodern nor pseudomodern nor metamodern, but that we are ALL ONE in Christ Jesus.

    • SamHamilton

      This American says amen Sean!

  • SamHamilton

    Even Moroni’s golden spectacles and his Mormon magic underwear couldn’t save him.

    Wow…imagine if a right-winger had written something like this about a Muslim candidate who ran unsuccessfully for President replacing references to Mormonism with references to Islam.

    It’s amazing how much the supposedly tolerant left has sunk into using anti-Mormonism in this campaign. Can we get more references to Planet Kolob from Otro Tierra please?

  • akiva

    When I cast my vote last week, I went home and then went to bed as had to get up early. My prayer before I went to sleep was not “Lord let my candidate win” rather my prayer was “Lord give us the leader we need”. I believe that this prayer was answered and I would have believed it also if Romney had won.

    • http://snommelp.tumblr.com/ Snommelp

      Amen. And, to borrow from another theologian, if you believe that one candidate will bring salvation to this nation, or that the other will ruin it beyond any hope of being saved, you have a theological problem. Do not put your trust in princes, in mortals, in whom there is no help. When their breath departs, they return to the earth; on that very day their plans perish. Happy are those whose help is the God of Jacob, whose hope is in the Lord their God.

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