I Will Pay 11 Cents — A Response to Papa John’s

Papa Johns

I’ll pay 11 cents,

If you will provide health care for the people who work for you.

I’ll pay 11 cents,

To make sure a single mom does not have to take on a 2nd or 3rd job for the needed medical care of her children.

I’ll pay 11 cents,

To make sure that all of your work force – regardless of pre-existing conditions will be guaranteed the same care as their co-workers.

I’ll pay 11 cents,

For the family that has a college student who can barely pay tuition – but now can be covered at no extra charge till she is 25.

I’ll pay 11 cents,

To relieve the emergency rooms and personnel that are being used for primary care for the uninsured.

I’ll pay 11 cents,

So that a father will never have to choose again between the life of his child or a life of overwhelming medical debt.

I’ll pay 11 cents,

And I hope you would be willing to pay 11 cents for me and my family too…

My daughter was born 1 lb. 13 oz. and spent her first hundred days of life in a little plastic box at Hoag hospital. The medical bills totaled over $500,000. We as a family would have been doubly devastated – the pre-mature birth of Grace at 27 weeks and a mountain of medical debit that we would probably never be able to repay.

This is a response / support for Papa John’s report that I may have to pay as much as 11 – 15 cents more per pizza for them to be able to provide health care for their work force.

I know this has become a very politically charged topic. My intent is to personalize the issue for you, me and my neighbor.

So no matter what your party affiliation or income bracket – let’s begin to talk to each other. Papa John’s has quantified what it will cost to provide health care for their workers. And that cost may need to be passed on to us. All I am trying to say – if you need me to pay a little more and you will take care of those who work for you – then I am in.

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Spencer Burke is the creator of www.TheOOZE.com, host of ThinkFWD and the author of many books including: Making Sense of Church and A Heretic’s Guide to Eternity.

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Spencer BurkeSpencer is the Founder and Editor of TheOoze.com - a trusted source of information and experiences regarding evolving spirituality that was relaunched in new and fantastic fashion in December 2010. He is the author of three books: Making Sense of Church, Out of TheOOZE, and A Heretic’s Guide to Eternity. Spencer is married to Lisa, his wife of 24 years, and has a son Alden who is 12 and a daughter Grace who is eight. They have lived in the same “beachshack” in Newport Beach, CA for the past 20 years.View all posts by Spencer Burke →

  • Mike Ward

    Papa John’s has not quatified what it cost them to provide health care to their employees. They’ve attempted to quatify the ADDITIONAL cost. Furthermore, it’s not 11 cents, and it’s not 11 cents on every pizza. The idea is that all companies are in the same boat as Papa Johns so it will actually be an a increased charge on EVERYTHING you buy from ANYONE. 11 cents times thousands or tens of thousands really starts to add up.
    You can retort that we should accept the cost no matter how high because it is the right things, but you cannot dismiss the cost as small based on the reasoning above.
    You might be able to dismiss the cost as small be refuting Papa Johns increased cost claim or arguing it is offset by other factors. But that is not what you did.

    • tarl_hutch

      While I may be wrong on this, I would say it will not necessarily inflate the cost on everything, as many companies already pay for employer backed insurance for their employees. It may cause other businesses to increase their cost by a bit, but these are largely companies who under pay their employees to begin with.

      A lawyer friend of mine, who specializes in healthcare law, explained the reasoning of the bill to me, as an attemot to lower overall cost by adding government backed policies as the lowest common denominator ti bring down premiums in an out of control market. As most providers have increased premiums due to a reliance on companies footing the bill, this attempts to level that by offering cjeaper catastrophic coverage. It remains to be seen whether this will work or allow insurance companies to continue raising premiums.

      The important point Spencer makes, is that we must get serious about making healthcare affordable and available to all. This will cost more, but the long term benefits should outweigh the intial costs. We cannot afford to ignore, or bandage, our broken and yes immoral system. We are open to other solutions, but not at the exspense of the poor and sick. It is time to belly up to the bar and do the hard work to insure that all our citizens are taken care of and mammon does not become our god.

      • Mike Ward

        This may be true. But why is it directed at me? I never said otherwise. I even pointed out that such an argument could probably be made.
        Spencer says, “So no matter what your party affiliation or income bracket – let’s begin to talk to each other.”
        I cannot take these words seriously, because the rest of the post is a glib attempt to make the cost seem trivial without any real reason being offered.
        The message is in so many words: Univeral healthcare is cheap, see even Papa John’s says so. Now let’s have a serious conversation.
        But Spencer cannot offer the have a serious conversation until he himself treats those he claims he wants to talk to seriously.
        You are serious and your post is good, but Spencer doesn’t get credit for your good comments.

        • tarl_hutch

          Sorry Mike, I didn’t mean to come across accusatory to you, your comment just opened up my thought process. Spencer is a guy that brings strong feelings about him to the table, some love him and some hate him. I give him some credit here for trying to show relational examples here. While he may oversimplify the cost here, i think he is trying to say that it may not be as costly or terrible as some people say it is. He may not have been successful at this, but I believe that is the intent.

          You raise excellent concerns regarding his post and his attitude towards others who disagree, but i guess that is also for us to sort out. Hopefully, we can all come together to work this out, the worry is that so many have such staunch ideologies that we will not be able to come to an agreement. Lets hope that idea is wrong. Thanks for your response and wonderful conversation.

          • Mike Ward

            Actually, I didn’t think you were accusatory, but I did think that perhaps you were under the impression that I was disagreeing with Spencer’s conculsion (which I’m still on the fence regarding) when rather I object to how he was trying to get to that conclusion. But this was my fault for not beling clear not yours for misunderstanding.
            Setting Specer’s article aside, I agree with you that the cost is probably not as high as some people say since unless we decide as a society to simply let the uninsured die due to lack of treatment the society as a whole will ultimatey get the bill one way or the other with or without universal converage.
            But the economic impact of the reform on American companies cannot be dismissed. If the impact was trivial, the Obama administration would not have issued so many waivers.

          • tarl_hutch

            The cost to companies certainly is a concern and we will likely experience inflated prices as a result, but we were already paying for this in our insurance premiums and cost of medical care, since we still pay for the uninsured anyway by getting their costs passed on to us. As i said, in theory insurance costs should go down in part due to a larger payment base and competition with government backed policies. I am more worried that companies and insurance providers will instead use this as an excuse to raise prices to line their pockets while scapegoating the government. I am actually for a more socialized medicine, a la France or great Britain, but many americans seem scared by this, so we work with what we have. It is a tough issue that we still have a lot to navigate through. Time will tell whether desire for profit succeeds over national health. What do you think we should do?

          • Mike Ward

            What should we do? I don’t know. For starters we have to discuss it honestly and fairly–which you are. (Thank you.)
            As I said earlier, I agree about the fact that we all pay for the uninsured anyway.
            I don’t see how the larger payment base really helps in this case, but maybe I’m overlooking something.
            Not sure about how this increases competition either.
            One concern I have is that insurance cost will actually be driven up by the fact that everyone has to have it. Requiring people to have insurance increases demand. Normaly the demand curve goes to zero as the price increases but now that cannot happen.

          • tarl_hutch

            My friend, who is more knowledgeable than I, said that the government sponsored option will be the cheapest available policy and thus will provide competition to the other policies causing them to lower the premium to compete with the cheaper policy. The wider base provides more money just by the ammount of policy holders and theoretically should offset the increased number of claims. Once again, we will see if this happens. I for one woukd rather see the socialized plan to know how much i am paying, through taxes, and have the ability to hold the government accountable through voting. The british seem to love their system and are making a good go of it, but we would be larger and more complex, so who knows. We just need to seriously consider all options and discuss/vote on them. Only time will tell.

          • Mike Ward

            Honestly, I don’t know enough about the government sponsered policy. How does the government decide on the price of its policy?

          • tarl_hutch

            I am not sure myself, going on what my friend said. He is writing a paper on the healthcare bill for a law review and he is informing me on the basics of the bill. Very interesting.

          • A. Lee

            MIke, You are correct about this eliminating competition. Furthermore, at the point we require insurance companies to cover those with pre-existing conditions, it ceased to be insurance. Call it something else if you must, but it is not insurance.

            Competition can only exist when companies must by definition compete for the consumer’s business. This can only happen when the consumer is empowered to make their own decisions and choices based on cost factors, just as they would to purchase a vehicle. If you gave no consideration to how much a vehicle costs, the provider of that vehicle could charge whatever they wanted.

            In a centralized government run system there is also no competition as the government is setting the price that they are going to pay providers. We see a perfect example of this with the Medicare system which will be completely broke in a decade unless changes are made. The government is incapable of running business efficiently due to it’s massive bloat and waste. Thanks for allowing me to inject some thoughts into your discussion.

          • Mike Ward

            What should we do? I don’t know. For starters we have to discuss it honestly and fairly–which you are. (Thank you.)
            As I said earlier, I agree about the fact that we all pay for the uninsured anyway.
            I don’t see how the larger payment base really helps in this case, but maybe I’m overlooking something.
            Not sure about how this increases competition either.
            One concern I have is that insurance cost will actually be driven up by the fact that everyone has to have it. Requiring people to have insurance increases demand. Normaly the demand curve goes to zero as the price increases but now that cannot happen.

          • Mike Ward

            What should we do? I don’t know. For starters we have to discuss it honestly and fairly–which you are. (Thank you.)
            As I said earlier, I agree about the fact that we all pay for the uninsured anyway.
            I don’t see how the larger payment base really helps in this case, but maybe I’m overlooking something.
            Not sure about how this increases competition either.
            One concern I have is that insurance cost will actually be driven up by the fact that everyone has to have it. Requiring people to have insurance increases demand. Normaly the demand curve goes to zero as the price increases but now that cannot happen.

          • A. Lee

            If I may inject myself into the discussion. A substantive and serious conversation must first begin with an accurate description of the problem free from exaggeration. I would take exception of your description of our society as one which lets the uninsured die due to lack of treatment. And before you react, let me add that I speak as one who has experience our system for the uninsured. I was in a catastrophic accident which nearly claimed my life and left it completely and irreversibly changed. I must also add that I had no health insurance at the time. Not once was I ever declined coverage or care based on that fact. I have not been thrown out of my home despite amassing nearly a million dollars in medical bills. I have received the best care from dedicated and caring professionals. Health care providers have bent over backwards to help, at times writing off their entire bill.

            Do we have problems to fix in our health care system. Yes, most definitely. However, any solution must begin with a complete and accurate definition of the problem. I will say that one of the main problems is that the average consumer has been separated from the costs of the service. There are market driven solutions which have been offered which would go a long way to fixing that problem by introducing competition thus driving down everyone’s costs.

          • tarl_hutch

            Mike will correct me if I am wrong, but the issue isn’t about refusal of service, the issue is the uninsured neglecting to seek treatment due to cost concerns potentially leading to a more serious.and sometimes fatal consequence. The other issue is that when medical providers treat the uninsured and waive bills, the cost is passed along to insurance companies and individuals. Thank you for sharing your story, I am glad that they worked to help you. The point of this bill is to avoid tough situations like the one you were in. Also the conpetitiin comes from the government introducing a lowest denominator policy that acts as competition to bring down the insurance companies premiums. You are right about not exaggerating the problem, but it is a bit more complex than you have presented as well. Maybe though you have some other ideas of how to fix it, given your experience. What do you think?

          • Mike Ward

            I agree with this post, but what I was saying was even more basic.
            One way or another everyone’s healthcare gets payed for by someone. Whether an insurance company pays or the patient pays out of pocket or the governement pays or health care provider pays and passes the cost onto others or if the provider simply does it for free and reduces the profits of its owners, someone pays.
            Now I beleive that the total cost can be changed by a change in the system. Also even if the total cost is unchanged I thing some systems proportion that cost more fairly that others.
            But claims that a particular reform will radically increase the total cost of healthcare should be regarded with scepticm until someone explains why the total cost will increase.
            I actually think some systems could do this by either being inefficiecnt or dragging down the economy or making some people less healthy, but its more complicated than saying: if everyone gets coverage then cost must go up.

          • Mike Ward

            You misunderstood my comment. I did not say that we have a system that allows the uninsured to die. I said that since we do not have such a system the cost of paying for the uninsured is already being paid one way or the other.

          • A.Lee

            Yes, I did in fact misunderstand your comment. Thank you for clarifying.

        • http://monotation.com Spencer Burke

          Mike, I know this is a passionate subject. My intention was not to close down the conversation, but to start one. Please view some of the comments over on Facebook as well
          https://www.facebook.com/illpay11cents – I have tried to be very open and encourage both sides and other views to be respectful of the other. This will not be solved over night and I was only responding to the ultimatum Papa John’s CEO put out in the press. In this context we are only talking about Papa John extending to all of their FULL time employees (in store with 50 or more workers) healthcare that the company chooses. They are concerned that this will hurt their shareholders profits (please see the amazing returns already this year – over 50% in 8 months – http://ir.papajohns.com/calculator.cfm ). So, they said they would need to pass on the cost to the consumer in the amount of 11 – 15 cents per pizza. If they are asking me (through the media) what I think, then I say – Yes, I’ll Pay 11 Cents – If you will provide your Full Time work force healthcare. My poem and personal story was not meant to be glib, but to point out that the people who are working full time (and most likely a minimum wage) are the ones who will be most affected by my support.

        • http://monotation.com Spencer Burke

          Mike, I know this is a passionate subject. My intention was not to close down the conversation, but to start one. Please view some of the comments over on Facebook as well
          https://www.facebook.com/illpay11cents – I have tried to be very open and encourage both sides and other views to be respectful of the other. This will not be solved over night and I was only responding to the ultimatum Papa John’s CEO put out in the press. In this context we are only talking about Papa John extending to all of their FULL time employees (in store with 50 or more workers) healthcare that the company chooses. They are concerned that this will hurt their shareholders profits (please see the amazing returns already this year – over 50% in 8 months – http://ir.papajohns.com/calculator.cfm ). So, they said they would need to pass on the cost to the consumer in the amount of 11 – 15 cents per pizza. If they are asking me (through the media) what I think, then I say – Yes, I’ll Pay 11 Cents – If you will provide your Full Time work force healthcare. My poem and personal story was not meant to be glib, but to point out that the people who are working full time (and most likely a minimum wage) are the ones who will be most affected by my support.

  • http://www.facebook.com/aubrey.ducker Aubrey Ducker

    Compared to the cost of gas, which fluctuates daily for no good reason other than corporate profits, I applaud the effort to quantify the cost of universal healthcare. If forcing me to buy health insurance from a private insurer is wrong, the government should allow me to buy into the federal system for catastrophic coverage. My tax dollars were used in years past to build hospitals and train doctors. Why should my tax dollars not be used to protect the innocent from the ravages of teatable and preventable diseases.

    • Anonymous

      Aubrey – Today you can buy catastrophic coverage. It’s President Obama’s health care law that would make those types of insurance options “unqualified” and wouldn’t count as real health insurance.

  • thecookiegal

    My son died last year from cancer. Thankfully, we had excellent health insurance, and were able to get additional help from our state. had we not had that insurance, we would be broke and in debt. One of his medications would have cost us $2,400 for 10 doses! I would be happy to pay a little more for a pizza if I knew that it meant employees making that pizza had access to health insurance

    Nancy
    aka – the cookiegal
    http://thecookiegal.wordpress.com/

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