Mars Hill Seattle, and the Problem of Insulated Churches

You may have heard the recent story of a Mars Hill member named Andrew and the experience he had with church leadership following his voluntary confession of sexual sin, which focused around the fact that he had cheated on his fiance. ”I take responsibility for my actions. I messed up,” he said. Andrew encountered name-calling from various leaders, not to mention several meetings and text messages. Despite his remorse and participation including tearful confessionals, things were just getting started. Next came a discipline contract printed on church letterhead outlining numerous steps to full reconciliation, pressure and intimidation when he announced he would not sign and would instead be leaving the church, and most remarkably- a document naming Andrew and his sin and detailing how members were to handle him socially (when to include and exclude him, and even how to answer), published on the Mars Hill community forum without Andrew’s consent. For details, here is the full expose on Matthew Paul Turner’s site: Part 1 and 2.

Mars Hill issued a recent response to this fiasco, which I will also focus on in this post.

The bulk of the response reads:

In recent days, there has been some discussion surrounding Mars Hill Church and our process of church discipline. We do not wish to comment on the specific scenario in question, as this is a private matter between church leadership and members, all of whom have voluntarily agreed to this prior to becoming members. We do want to be as clear and forthright as possible in presenting our theology of repentance, forgiveness, and church discipline and make clear that our convictions on this come from our study of Scripture and our deep love for our members and a desire for them to enjoy the freedom that comes from walking by the Spirit in response to Christ’s work on the Cross on our behalf. At the heart of the process is our deep belief that church discipline is about the grace of God, not penance.

What a paragraph. It nicely says ”no comment,” pays lip service to privacy and discretion while previously destroying both for Andrew, and is followed with the assertion that every member in the church has already agreed to whatever is done to them by church leadership. Then, we’re given a chapter out of Pastor Mark Driscoll’s book on doctrine, explaining the importance of church discipline. This is a perfect example of the church as an insulated power structure.

The Anatomy of an Insulated Church

An insulated church will demonstrate over and over that it is not accountable to you, or to members or attendees who disagree, or to those who have left disgruntled and harmed. Power always confuses talking with transparency. An insulated church is happy to give some version of their side of the story, but it will marginalize pushback either by claiming Godly authority or using insults, two tactics that Driscoll employs with regularity. As an example, Driscoll often makes fun of bloggers in different ways, saying they should find better things to do with their time (or accusing them of sin) when he gets called out, and yet he himself takes to his own blog to complain about an interview that didn’t go his wayIn an insulated church, criticism will be fierce and constant as long as it is directed outward. It’s the rhetorical equivalent of a preemptive strike.

For leaders in the insulated church, they earn the right to the clubhouse at the top of the hierarchy, and everyone below gets a muddy slope. Others may progress up towards the clubhouse, but only if it is in ways defined by the leadership. For Andrew, this meant a series of steps as outlined in the discipline contract including not dating anyone inside or outside of the church, nor being able to serve in the church, and writing out a detailed history of his sexual sin to share with leadership. Questioning authority will get you pushed right back down to where you started. Sure, you can have a voice, but it must sound like the rest of the chorus.

Skilled at Dodging Criticism

Insulated churches are evasive when confronted in sincere and competent ways, and often train their congregation to do their dirty work for them. Here are a few of the more popular get out of jail free cards used:

“It’s all about Jesus.” It’s a nice way to minimize legitimate concerns while seeming playful and well intentioned. But doing something in Jesus’ name doesn’t make it automatically good. There are too many atrocious examples in history to name just one.

“You’re just writing about Mark Driscoll/Mars Hill for more blog traffic.” There it is again. The insulated church can do and say whatever it wants, disregarding the damage it causes. It’s the pushback that’s considered to be the problem. It’s like an unnecessary war, and all of the ensuing slaughter, which gets played as mere fodder for the nightly news. Being against that war: now that’s the real outrage.

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“There are two sides to every story.” That’s true, but that doesn’t mean the leadership are always on the correct side. This kind of subservient thinking is spreading across the country. Whether it’s cops caught on tape beating a handcuffed person, or a charismatic politician doing things he swore against while running for office, some people go with the “benefit of the doubt” to the detriment of discernment. Sometimes, a whiff of solidarity (or power) is all it takes.

“We ARE accountable- to God and fellow leaders here.” To be accountable to God is convenient when one claims to speak for Him and have an insider’s understanding of God’s opinions on everything ranging from yoga and Avatar to the use of sex toys in marriage. To be accountable to the church leadership seems toothless in churches that attract a largely homogeneous group of men who all agreed to pages and pages of the same doctrinal minutiae.

“What you’re proposing is spiritual anarchy. There has to be rules.” Pointing out examples of spiritual abuse does not negate the need for church, church leadership, doctrine, rules of conduct or perhaps even rarely- church discipline. We don’t replace a bad President with no President, we attempt to vote in a better one, as another example.

And of course, insulated churches and their complaint congregations play apologism bingo.

Insulated Churches Need to Hear from Voices Other Than Their Own

Sure, churches can if they so choose highlight their own content, the weekly attendance, number of campuses, conversions, events, baptisms and anecdotes revealing the successes of the church. But that just leads to more cronyism. Outside, there are people hurting, suffering, struggling, and all with stories to tell. Many of whom have tried and failed to find a safe place in a house claiming to represent that guy who died for everyone. The body of Christ is not intended to be a singular noise hummed by perfect people, but rather a full symphony performed by misfits, and that’s going to include some subtle tones that take a little extra effort to hear, and some sour notes that are initially uncomfortable. But God is speaking, also through people and in ways that we may not prefer.


Ian Ebright is a former film critic who now writes about faith, life, culture and human rights. You can read more by visiting his site The Broken Telegraph, or follow him on Facebook and Twitter.

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  • Anonymous

    I was a bit confused when I started reading about this on the previous
    blog on this subject. But then I figured it out – there is more than one
    church called Mars Hill. It is very interesting to compare the
    behaviour of Mars Hill Grandville MI in terms of their doctrine of grace and socialising with tax collectors and sinners with that of this one in Seattle. I’m not familiar with the Seattle church, but have left one which was drifting in that direction. There wasn’t so much grace as a desire for control.

  • http://twitter.com/qotbpaul Paul Charles

    Thanks Ian. Enjoyed the post a lot. Mars Hill in society does give us reason to worry I think, although they are also doing some great work as well. 
    I agree with what you’ve said, but I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on church discipline. What role does it have today? It seems the NT sees it as important, so how do we look at it in the 21st century.

    • http://brokentelegraph.com/ Ian

      Hi Paul, great question. My position on church discipline is “I’m still learning,” and I do see a place for it (partly for the reason you highlighted) although I would caution that it be rare, done with great discretion, and by individuals in leadership who are aware of their own brokenness even while they seek to hold accountable the brokenness of others. 
       
      Following my post above, I reached out to one prominent pastor in order to get some credible feedback as a counter-argument to the Mars Hill controversy. I find myself cheering as I read his response, and perhaps you will too. This vision of church discipline, I would argue, is far more grace-filled and holds the NT is its full, proper context. http://brokentelegraph.com/2012/02/01/a-pastors-rebuttal-on-church-discipline-responding-to-the-mars-hill-controversy/

      • http://twitter.com/qotbpaul Paul Charles

        Great! Thanks for that Ian. Enjoyed that post as well, seems to be a far better way of looking at a complex issue.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/6TMWGADCHW3VVQNLI3PRTGFSRY Cynthia

    Wow! That sounds very like the shaming techniques Communist China used in the Cultural Revolution. We’re starting to get into cult territory here. It worked in China because people had no where else to go. It’s good that Andrew was able to leave the church.

    Can I say here that, as a matter of course, I hate public tearful confessionals? Even from grown men, even from grown men at churches such as Mars Hill that seek to empasize the masculinity of Christianity. Whenever I hear “tearful confessionals,”  I see the tear sodden face of Jimmy Swaggart. No thank you.  

  • http://www.christianpiatt.com/ Christian Piatt

    Thanks for this Ian. Well stated.

  • Kotenterprises

    Great work Ian–you continue to be one of my favorite writers…..

    • http://brokentelegraph.com/ Ian

      Thank you, I truly appreciate that.

    • http://brokentelegraph.com/ Ian

      Thank you, I truly appreciate that.

  • Akiva72000

    I also was dis-fellowship from a church. I use to be a member of the ICOC. If I had not confessed my sin the church would never have know about it. Instead of receiving love and understanding I was accused of being deceitful. The church acted as if they had all the answers to every human problem that there is. What I needed was therapy for an addictive behavior. The church members were told at the following service after I had admitted my sin to the leaders to not associate with me. Which was a bit of a problem as I lived with some other members at the time. I quickly moved out and one of the members was chastised for helping me get my belongings out of the house in which we shared. I was quoted the versus in first Corinthians where the community is asked to excommunicate from there midst the member who was proudly flaunting his sin. I was confused as I was not flaunting but confessing to a sin with complete shame. I vowed at that time to never again let myself be treated by a church as if they were the final authority on the bible since they were interpreting the text to fit their own power structure in which the inner circle could do no wrong but the rank and file members had to come under complete control of the leaders of the church. From this experience I can see that the Mars Hill movement is nothing more than the same thing as the ICOC which is considered a cult by many other churches. 

    • http://brokentelegraph.com/ Ian

      I am truly sorry for your experience, Akiva. That must have been incredibly painful.

  • Anonymous

    Boy this seems backwards to a Catholic.  I thought the first step towards reconciliation was confessing your sin- not the first step towards excommunication, which should be the sin itself.

    So what’s the message here?  Tolerate the sin as long as nobody knows about it even as it screws up your private life?

  • Bruce Vanheerden

    This a problem in almost every Charismatic family owned church (which most of them are) this is not about the Bible it’s about a power play and no responsibility for there actions, not just in America but in every country where the American Mega Church business model has been exported, God’s name in thrown around and the dictator and his family and friends are hosted and toasted like royalty, they lie and cover up for each other, Jakes, Dollar in the Eddie Long affair, Nieman, Godwin, Treat in the McCauley affair it’s not about the Kingdom of God it’s about the money, and the thousands that are hurt in the process just move off and deal with there trauma on there own. Mars Hill had the right to deal with a young man who had committed sexual sin, it once it became public it should have been treated differently, we want to kill a young man but leaders behave badly and are left to carry on, just pray for them we are told, what good for the goose is good for all…

  • http://www.anglobaptist.org/blog AngloBaptist

    This is a great article calling into question some of the troubles that come with “independent” churches. Even Baptist polity has some room for intervention…I believe, however, that in America, as religion becomes more and more a “fringe” activity or based on a private piety, we will see more and more of this…left right or other. 

  • JudsonVaughn

    Good article about power and abuse. All congregations should stop looking the other way and face this evil trend. Powerful, ego-riddled preachers have no human reigns on their behavior and they can interpret God’s intentions however they see fit. This kind of Christianity is the best weapon Satan has.

    • JudsonVaughn

      No wonder the church found for so long to keep Scripture out of the hands of the believers.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=501915913 Roger Wolsey

    Ian, very well put – and so very important. Even if we can’t sway Mars Hill, perhaps we can inspire other independent ministries to seek ways to ensure accountability. Here’s how I put it, “Mark Driscoll needs an Elephant” http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithforward/2012/01/why-mark-driscoll-needs-an-elephant/

    • http://brokentelegraph.com/ Ian

      I hope everyone reads your post, Roger. It’s fantastic.

  • http://twitter.com/nokoryous Kory Mereness

    I would like to see the contract they wanted him to sign. I’m kind of on the fence with this as it is, because I think modern churches lack the courage and the theology to do any interior discipline. Obviously the fact that he confessed can’t go unnoticed though, but I’m not sure that this is really even any of our business (“us” meaning a whole lot of people who got all our information secondhand about the happenings of a congregation that we [probably] don’t attend.)

    • http://brokentelegraph.com/ Ian

      Kory I appreciate the way you’re moderating the issue, but to consider: 1) the contract is available, printed on church letterhead, as is the letter the church posted on its community forum naming Andrew and his sin. Click on matthew paul turner’s links 1 and 2 in the post for both.

      Here’s why I think this is the greater church body’s issue. When someone comes forward with a lengthy grievance indicating spiritual abuse, and bothers to produce actual documentation from the church, we need to listen and speak up, otherwise we run the risk of letting abuse go unchallenged, which has devastating results for those involved and for the broader church. Mars Hill also responded publically, taking this thing fully into the public domain. So we have not only an event to shine the light on, but a broader issue- insulated churches and their abuse- impacting the church and individuals that really must be explored.

  • Anonymous

    Frustrating. Troubling. Disconcerting.
    Sad. Frightening. I will freely admit that I underwent my own church
    discipline in 2000 at Overlake Christian Church and this story
    horrifyingly reminds me my own account, with much pain and trembling,
    even 12 years later. My heart BREAKS for Andrew. My flesh CRAWLS at
    reading this article. We are to be Jesus with skin on. We are to
    faithfully administer God’s GRACE in its various forms. Legalistic
    tarring and feathering of God’s chosen people, His royal priesthood, His
    holy nation, does NOT result in better community or better growth. It
    results in an impoverished church, a beleaguered sense of trust in God
    and the body of Christ, and cultivates a climate of fear-based worship
    where God’s children are walking on eggshells. I can only imagine what
    Andrew must feel right now. Andrew, I love you in Jesus’ Name. You are
    repentant, you have repented, and you are forgiven. I do not know you,
    I have never met you, but you are LOVED IN JESUS’ NAME. I am deeply
    proud of you for bringing your sin into the light, and for bringing Mars
    Hill’s leadership’s sin into the light as well. Knowing church
    discipline all too well, I can freely also admit that one sin that cost
    me my position of leadership, my community at the church, my connection
    to the body of Christ there, etc., also eventually lead to an even
    greater sin which cost me my freedom and sent me to prison. I do not
    blame my actions on the church or the leadership, but I will
    indefatigably say that there is an inexorable tie between the church
    discipline / excommunication I received from Overlake Christian Church,
    and my eventual crime. Do I wish I could take back my crime? Yes. But
    I also wish with all my heart that I could take back the church
    discipline I received, and replace it with something restorative like a
    warm hug. Alas, warm hugs are not mentioned in Scripture for those
    undergoing church discipline. And such a legalistic, grace-lacking
    approaches only send us further down the drain, with no hope of
    compassionate restoration. Wash your hands of us if you will, you
    beloved megachurches, and in the process so subsequently condemn
    yourselves as unloving, uncompassionate, and unbiblical. Jesus loves me
    the same that he does me, and that is my Amen, because truthfully I’d
    rather ALWAYS be the guy beating his chest, saying “God be merciful to
    me, a sinner” than be you.

  • Robert

    The Slate article published Feb. 10 says, “Racked with guilt, he quickly confessed to both his fiancee and another
    member of his small group. About two weeks later, he also admitted to
    having a premarital sexual relationship with his now ex-fiancee.”

    Slate says he confessed, but it was in drips and drabs over weeks.  The church thought they had one issue, the cheating, but more sexual sin was revealed.  Was he repentant at first?  Was he repentant then?  Or did he only let it out when cornered?  The Slate quote says he “admitted” to the sin, but it doesn’t make clear if he was the first to offer that information or if his fiance or another told.  Admittance is not repentance.

    The letter that only went to 15 of his close friends (before publishing on the internet), was not instructing them to shun him.  It was helping them pursue him by focusing on the sin instead of ignoring it and acting as if everything was OK.  I am guilty of glossing over sin issues with friends instead of confronting them on it andI know a member from the church that talked with Andrew since the blogs started.  The church does want to shun him.  They want to help by setting up boundaries (He and his ex-fiance were moved into separate community groups.  To not turn him loose to go into another relationship with another church member and request he not date anyone.) and have counseling (aka meetings).

    • Hunter

      Thanks for some clarity Robert. Surprised and dissapointed to find this accusatory article here.

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