My Quick Thought on Chick-Fil-A

Chick Fil A Kiss In Protest

I [Andrew] was just asked by a media outlet my thoughts on tonight’s LGBT Kiss-In Protest at Chick-Fil-A, and how Christians should respond. Here was my answer:

This Chick-Fil-A situation got out of control really quick, in no small part to a number of pundits on both ends of the spectrum adding unnecessary fuel to the fire. They made this situation more than Dan Cathy voicing his support of traditional marriage. They made it a highly structured fight; setting it up as the battle lines must be drawn because the winning worldview will immediately take its place as the dominant majority in culture.

Tonight’s kiss-in protest is an unfortunate, and misguided subsidiary action to a much broader, nuanced conversation that needs to happen surrounding culture engagement. Yes, this situation is about freedom of speech and religious liberties. But what is lacking is the understanding that there is freedom of speech on both ends of the spectrum. It seems that this Chick-Fil-A situation has people fighting for a freedom of speech for only their version of what they speak. There is no winner in that short of ditching the constitution. That is why August 1st’s Chick-Fil-A Appreciation Day and tonight’s Kiss-In are secondary to educating each other in our daily interactions what it means to live in the tension of the reality of our contemporary society: The United States, where Christianity is still the dominant religion, is a pluralistic, post-modern country comprised of a variety of competing worldviews fighting to dictate cultural normalcy.

The main question today must be how we relate to each other with strongly held convictions, rather than continually try to force everyone into theological, social or political alignment. That will never work, as highlighted by the last three days. This gets us back to your original question; what to do tonight: Bring the gay kissing couples outside Chick-Fil-A some McDonalds (because they’re not going to eat Chick-Fil-A), say ‘I’m a Christian and I love you like Jesus,’ then walk away, and hope this evening finishes without more damage done. Then we can get back to the actual work of living out our Christian beliefs like Jesus instead of talking about them. That’s a daily exercise in orthodoxy, not a one-off event that anyone is supposed to care about.

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What are your thoughts?

Much love.

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Andrew Marin (@Andrew_Marin and www.facebook.com/Marin.Andrew) is the President and Founder of The Marin Foundation which works to build bridges between the LGBT community and the Church. Andrew is the author of the award winning book, Love is an Orientation: Elevating the Conversation with the Gay Community (InterVarsity Press, 2009), which has won more awards than any other individual book in the long-standing history of InterVarsity Press. He and his wife, Brenda, live in the Boystown neighborhood of Chicago.

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Andrew Marin

Andrew MarinAndrew Marin is President and Founder of The Marin Foundation. He is author of the award winning book, Love is an Orientation (2009), and its interactive DVD curriculum (2011). Andrew is a regular contributor to a variety of media outlets and frequently lectures at universities around the world. Since 2010 Andrew has been asked by the United Nations to advise their various agencies on issues of bridging opposing worldviews, civic engagement and theological aspects of reconciliation. He blogs at Love is an Orientation and is married to Brenda. Andrew splits his time between the LGBT Boystown neighborhood of Chicago and St. Andrews, Scotland, where he is a PhD candidate in Cultural Theology at the University of St. Andrews. His research focuses on cultural, political and religious dynamics of reconciliation.View all posts by Andrew Marin →

  • Pinky

    A heartfelt decision. I did not go on Wednesday, should I go today? Would it make a difference at this point to say Jesus loves you and the Church does (is supposed too) too. Would it make a difference at this point or has all the shouting on both ends deafened us. I’d like to think it would but am honestly not sure. Good article!

    • http://www.facebook.com/joe.richards.313 Joe Richards

      When in doubt go out and shout God’s Word from the rooftops!

  • Drew

    I feel like I need to clear up some of your false-equivalency here. You can’t pretend both sides are acting inappropriately or that both sides are Christian. To be clear, Dan Cathy exercised his first amendment rights and religious beliefs, and only when pressed by a reporter. The mostly non-Christian LGBT community launched hateful verbal attacks and boycotts against him and his company. Christians responded by eating at Chik-Fil-A’s to show peaceful support. The mostly non-Christian LGBT community has responded by vandalizing at least one restaurant and trying to make out in Chik-Fil-A restaurants and post pictures online of it.

    • Caleb

      You paint with a very broad and ignorant brush.

      • Drew

        Nice attack brother. Tell me, where I am wrong and/or ignorant?

    • tarl_hutch

      Hey Drew,

      Two things:

      First, while the support day was peaceful, the attitudes and words that many Christians are throwing around are less than graceful. Most are showing support for what they believe, just like the lgbt community, but some are making this into a battle when it is not.

      Second, holding to the idea that because some lgbt people are acting badly does not make all guilty and even if it did it doesnt matter. We as Christians are called to a higher attitude, regardless of how much hate is thrown our way, we are to respond with love and grace, willing to lay down our lives to demonstrate the salvation of Christ.

      We can’t be concerned with how others act, only ourselves. We are to be a beacon of hope to a dark world. This means sucking it up amd loving our enemy, not demonizing their actions, though i dont think you are going quite that far. We must be careful how we paint those who disagree, by seeing their humanity we can love like Jesus while being crucified. Let me know if I am misunderstanding you. Peace.

      • Drew

        My problem was the false equivalency in Andrew’s article, not the solution he proposes.

        • tarl_hutch

          Thanks for clarification. Proceed. Ha.

    • tarl_hutch

      Hey Drew,

      Two things:

      First, while the support day was peaceful, the attitudes and words that many Christians are throwing around are less than graceful. Most are showing support for what they believe, just like the lgbt community, but some are making this into a battle when it is not.

      Second, holding to the idea that because some lgbt people are acting badly does not make all guilty and even if it did it doesnt matter. We as Christians are called to a higher attitude, regardless of how much hate is thrown our way, we are to respond with love and grace, willing to lay down our lives to demonstrate the salvation of Christ.

      We can’t be concerned with how others act, only ourselves. We are to be a beacon of hope to a dark world. This means sucking it up amd loving our enemy, not demonizing their actions, though i dont think you are going quite that far. We must be careful how we paint those who disagree, by seeing their humanity we can love like Jesus while being crucified. Let me know if I am misunderstanding you. Peace.

    • tarl_hutch

      Hey Drew,

      Two things:

      First, while the support day was peaceful, the attitudes and words that many Christians are throwing around are less than graceful. Most are showing support for what they believe, just like the lgbt community, but some are making this into a battle when it is not.

      Second, holding to the idea that because some lgbt people are acting badly does not make all guilty and even if it did it doesnt matter. We as Christians are called to a higher attitude, regardless of how much hate is thrown our way, we are to respond with love and grace, willing to lay down our lives to demonstrate the salvation of Christ.

      We can’t be concerned with how others act, only ourselves. We are to be a beacon of hope to a dark world. This means sucking it up amd loving our enemy, not demonizing their actions, though i dont think you are going quite that far. We must be careful how we paint those who disagree, by seeing their humanity we can love like Jesus while being crucified. Let me know if I am misunderstanding you. Peace.

    • John
      • Drew

        Yup, if you comb the internet long enough, you can come up with a few people that express hate.

      • Matt

        Very clever. Im sure
        there is no Christianphobic or Cathlocphobic tweets out there.

      • Mick Sheldon

        Those are horrible examples and everyone in the discussion I know of will say so that has any kind of creditability . Unfortunately that is not the case in reverse. John this was in my neck of the woods . Remember this was a seminar for public school kids who were wanting to be journalist. Liberals in our area defended him , he not only bullied the kids , he mocked them as they left . http://taberstruths.com/video-christian-students-walk-out-of-lecture-crying-as-pro-gay-activist-bashes-bible-69553/

  • http://www.facebook.com/joe.richards.313 Joe Richards

    Some suggestions:

    To the homosexual men: “You are right to say that the person you are kissing now is NOT your wife. In fact you have kissed many men and none of them were your wife.”

    To the homosexual women:
    “You are right to say that the person you are kissing now is NOT your husband. In fact you have kissed many women and none of them were your husband.”

    or perhaps, “Get thee behind me Satan.”

    or, “You brood of vipers, who warned you to flee the coming wrath.”

    or, “You have heard it said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’ But Jesus says to you,

    “I tell you that any wo/man who looks at a wo/man lustfully has already committed adultery . . . in her/his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.”

    Before you protest that Christians should NOT echo Jesus nor emulate His behavior like this, please explain Biblically, cogently, and rationally why we echo and emulate Jesus on some issues but not this one, and what is the Bible-based criteria to discriminate. Because Jesus is love I insist the above WERE and REMAIN expressions of God’s love, if not ours, too.

    I maintain the assumption of those who engage in sodomy and those who approve of their sin has been that only they are truly “tolerant” and therefore only they warrant the freedom to utilize their first amendment right to lambaste Christians who BIBLICALLY declare sodomy a sin by calling them homophobes, gay bashers, homo haters, etc.

    Christians have been too wimpy and too deaf, dumb, and blind for too long. God’s love is NOT confined to the domain of our favorite, most honey-dripped Bible verses but includes the entire council of God, every jot and tittle, and the challenge for Christians is NOT to pick ONLY the right teachings and behaviors of Jesus to echo and emulate but to teach and emulate them all with Love and Truth, up to and including non-salvific martyrdom!

    • Pinky

      Emulate yes but Jesus also said in John 8:7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them,
      “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone
      at her.”

      and James 5:9 Don’t grumble against each other, brothers, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!

      and of course John 12:47 “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not
      judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.

      • http://www.facebook.com/joe.richards.313 Joe Richards

        Condemnation is both earthly and eternal. Jesus told the crowd who wanted to end the woman’s EARTHLY life by stoning, “You without sin cast the first stone.” That would have ended her mortal life.

        Eternal condemnation on the other hand is out of our hands altogether and is is strictly under God’s purview.

        So speaking the Truth, the Whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth, so Help us God, is NOT condemnation; no stone need be thrown.

        • Pinky

          Joe too be honest I am not sure what point you are making. Are we to stone or not to? Your original post is all about condemnation, however your second post seems to acknowledge that he without sin was to cast that first stone. So which is it, is there a stone in your hands or not?

          • http://www.facebook.com/joe.richards.313 Joe Richards

            No, you are wrong. Earthly condemnation takes another’s life. To cast the first stone presupposes the following stones which will KILL the sinful person. No one cast such a stone. Her mortal life was NOT condemned. But Jesus followed up with,

            “Go, SIN NO MORE!”

            Eternal condemnation falls under the sole purview of God. Only God can condemn someone to eternal isolation from Himself. None of us can.

            In this sense “condemnation” and “judgment” are close synonyms.

            Think it through for 15 or 20 minutes. I assure you I have thought this through for 15 or 20 years.

          • Pinky

            I understand the difference between eternal and earthly condemnation. Perhaps I am just confused at your willingness to tell someone their sin’s and yet acknowledge that Christ forgave. Perhaps though that is your temperament and you learn best and acknowledge your sins whatever they may be when a perfect stranger stops you in a public place to list them.

    • tarl_hutch

      The brood of vipers and get behind me quotes were addressed to religious people, come to think of it, all those quotes were aimed at people who thought themselves righteous in the eyes of the law. Maybe not the best quotes to aim at those who are not Christ followers. I think you and Pinky are doing a fine job debating this, but i wanted to throw that out there. God bless…

      • http://www.facebook.com/joe.richards.313 Joe Richards

        There were very, very few atheists in Jesus’ day. Almost everyone believed in one god or another. This does NOT change what He had to say to people who believed INCORRECTLY. Whether Pharisees, Chief Priests, Ananias and Sapphira, Nicodemus, Peter, Judas Iscariot, or the Samaritan woman at the well (NOT an orthodox Jewish believer). He never shied away from confronting people about their wrong belief and sin.

        Atheists, too, believe wrongly. They are idolaters and sometimes also blasphemers. God does not regard their sin as non-sin, just because He commands His followers’ lives to closely emulate Jesus’.

        MOST people consider themselves “good people” today. Many think, “I’m no mass murderer like James Holmes,” or “I’m not a serial rapist,” or “I only steal paper clips and staples at work; nothing worse than that.” This, too, is a modern-day attempt to appear righteous in their own eyes. Breaking one jot or tittle of the law is more than enough to become guilty of all!

        There is no indication within the New Covenant that God has a hierarchy of sins, and that hierarchy changes whether the person professes to be a Christian or a god-hater. Cheating on tax returns — tax evasion — is every bit as much a sin whether a Christian or blaspheming atheist commits it.

        The fact that Jesus wept does not negate the truth He got angry; the fact He acted with compassion abrogate His hatred of sin; the fact He pronounced blessing deny His many woes upon others.

        Like the oath we swear in court, to tell the Truth, the whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth, so help us God, we must proclaim the whole Truth of God and embrace the Whole person of Jesus: all his emotions, behaviors, benedictions, warnings and woes!

        • tarl_hutch

          May the grace, peace, and love of our savior be with you till the end of your days and beyond.

        • tarl_hutch

          May the grace, peace, and love of our savior be with you till the end of your days and beyond.

    • Drew

      I visited your Facebook page and what I saw was a Republican, not a Christian, as you post a dozen times a day about politics but rarely post about Christ. I would humbly suggest that you take your own advice about following the entire council of God, and stop worshiping the false idol that you have set up, the United States Republican Party. It appears from all your insults and use of caps that you also have an issue with anger, so I would suggest that you work on that as well, as anger is a sin. Unrepentantly worshiping a false idol is dangerous territory. I ask you to repent, and turn away from that sin.

      • http://www.facebook.com/joe.richards.313 Joe Richards

        If Anger was good enough for Jesus it is good enough for me. I suggest you either STOP denying Jesus’ anger toward sin and wrong-doing or you get some psychiatric counseling where you can have your own anger exposed so you can be yanked out of denial.

        There are far more Christians per capita within the Republican party than within the Democratic Party. Advocating for and legislating filicide by abortion, sodomy via changed marriage laws abrogating God’s law, Utopian Statism usurping the mission of the Church, and projecting the mendacity of “separation of church and state” upon the Constitutional text which contains NO SUCH language is sinful and God angering!

        So, you remain in denial and walk hand-in-hand with your Ken doll Jesus; I’ll go with the Jesus of Scriptures Who says to you and everyone who thwarts His righteous will, “Get thee behind me Satan!”

        But I forgive your mendacious conjecture about me and your proclivity to temporarily judge another Master’s servant. God forgive you, too, I pray in Jesus’ Name! You’re welcome. No GO! Sin no more!

        • Drew

          James 1:19-30 says “Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become
          angry, for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God
          desires.” Are you doing all of that? Be honest with yourself, and don’t skip over the opportunity to examine yourself critically. 1 Corinthian 13:1 says “If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels,
          but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.” Are you really loving, or are you just a clanging cymbal? Again, I ask you to not skip over this verse and take the opportunity to examine yourself critically.

          It doesn’t matter if you are a registered Democrat if every post on your Facebook page is anti-Obama and anti-Democrat and pro-Republican. That does not impress me. If you are a Democrat, tell me, what issue(s) do you support them on? The truth is that you are intensely caught up in the Republican party and secular, worldly politics.

          By the way, the reason for my initial post is that you seem very anxious to announce and proclaim and speak against the sins of other people. As soon as I pointed out your sin of worshiping a false idol, you ignored it, denied it, and then went on a political rant to further prove your idol worship. Tell me, how did it feel to have someone point out your sin and false idol worship? Did you appreciate it, or did you wish I did it in another way?

          • tarl_hutch

            Well said…

      • http://www.facebook.com/DeepNarcosis William J. Green

        Drew: I find it disturbing that your reply to Joe Richards was a thinly veiled ad hominem attack on him rather than an engagement with and rebuttal of his ideas and very cogent arguments. In short it was long on personal attack and very short on iron sharpening iron. Especially since you asked at the end of your blog,

        “What are your thoughts?”

        and then proceeded not to engage his deep thoughts but to attempt to make what virtually amounts to a DSM-IV diagnosis together with an insinuation that his thoughts did not reflect his decades of Christianity but those of a political party he does not even belong to.

        Is that because you believe that no Democrats still oppose filicide by abortion, homosexual marriage, fiscal profligacy characterized by trillion dollar annual deficits and $5,300,000,000,000 of additional national debt in less than four years, $120,000,000,000,000 of Unfunded Liabilities, wealth confiscation for Marxist redistribution, and only think of unborn baby boys and girls formed by God in the womb and made in the Imago Dei as “punishments?”

        That’s behavior unbecoming someone who is junior to Mr. Joe Richards the elder.

        It begs the question, “How is your reply ‘oriented toward love’?”

        I suggest you leave Joe’s MMPI, DSM-IV diagnosis, and other emotional and cognitive assessments to people credentialed and qualified to do so and instead, since you telegraphed you disagree with him, set about from Scripture and Orthodox Theology rebutting his ideas as Paul did at Mars Hill.

        But if you can not, as I suspect from the brilliance of his arguments and his obvious familiarity with the entire life of Jesus and His full portfolio of teachings, and your thus far revealed dearth of the same, perhaps you should concede how Truthful he has been and apologize.

        That would better orient you toward love for a brother your elder and who comes across as much more intimately equated with the full council of God and both His easy and tough teachings, some of which create the paradox Joe so eloquently articulated. He demonstrates an acquaintance with an orthodox theology of both love and wrath, grace and sin that few Christians hold to, never mind articulate, and as such represents a prophetic voice sorely lacking within the western church.

        Thanks in advance for being humble and big enough a man to defer to your elder.

        • Drew

          I am not Andrew Marin, sorry.

        • Drew

          I am not Andrew Marin, sorry.

        • tarl_hutch

          While I agree one should respect ones elders, I do not believe that means that an aged person is a learned one. While Joe does make a good case for himself, I do not fond it particularly brilliant or unique, as he threw out a few proof texted scriptures as well as many republican talking points. There is nothing particularly special about this.

          I do think Joe takes his spirituality very seriously, but despite his seniority to some of us, does not have the lock on the teachings of Jesus. Drew made several astute observations regarding Mr. Richards comments and overall focus. While this could be seen as an attack, I believe it wad more a challenge for introspection. If you or Mr. Richards cannot see that, then maybe it would be best to ignore the opinions of others wholesale. In my time posting here, I have been called out many times, which if course set me on the defense, but have learned to use it as a reminder to examine my beliefs and approach.

          There may be better ways to make the challenge, but we are all imperfect and come across poorly from time to time. I already fear my words here will be misunderstood and not properly articulated by my self. In short, we should be careful not to let our politics too greatly influence our theology, and our theology not limit our relationship with God. Age can bring much wisdom, but do not discount a younger persons opinion due to age. 1 & 2 Timothy are all about this. Thank you for your graceful tone and your concern for your brother. I hope you can also see where Drew and myself are coming from. Most of us on here are here due to our love of God and our respect for our church family, we should all use it as a means of self reflection, brainstorming, challenging, and edifying. Peace and love…

          • http://www.facebook.com/DeepNarcosis William J. Green

            Joe is a REGISTERED DEMOCRAT living in a Democratic State: New York.

            His arguments are no more Republican talking points than Jesus’ are Democratic ideology. Truth is not bound to political parties and crosses ideological lines.

            The Truth is that Jesus spoke Words that make many Christians uncomfortable and feel like they have to either apologize for Jesus or walk-back for Jesus or explain away for Jesus. Where in Scripture did Jesus every apologize, walk-back or explain away anything He said previously?

            Words about vipers, Satan, woes, confrontation, sin, repentance, and even judgement were common to Jesus and there is no sound theological reason they should be any less so for us.

            Newness, novelty, originality are NOT the goals of our faith. Faithfulness, obedience, and adherence to thousands of years’ old precepts, teachings, laws, admonitions, commandments, warnings, and even some dogma are what our faith is about; not iconoclasm!

            Novelty is a form of enslavement to contemporary Political Correctness more so than being captive to the love and Truth of God.

            Here’s something wild to contemplate:

            http://www.mediaite.com/online/tennessee-democratic-party-is-cutting-ties-to-its-own-senate-nominee/

            Boy that homosexual marriage Democratic Platform and Tent is SMALL!

          • tarl_hutch

            I imagine Jesus said a few things that make you comfortable too. As much as he talked about judgement and sin, it was about the difference between the sins of self righteousness and rule keeping, with the transformational power of Christ’s message that cover all law in two commandments.

            Have you never had doubts? Have you never questioned? That is what “new” ideas are about, examining doctrine in relation to the bible, history, context, and the leading of thr spirit. Some people are fine with believing whatever their church doctrine tells them amd good for them, I am personally jealous, but some of us are not content to take anothers word for it. Now most of the time through questioning we come back to the original doctrine and are strengthened through it, but sometimes we discover things that we originally missed.

            I know that my words will most likely not change your mind. You seem fairly set in your belief, and good for you. I hope God continues to use you to glorify Christ. I only ask you to give a little slack to those of us who don’t believe things on the same way you do. More than likely we would agree on a good many things, but we dont see that on here many times.

            Also, being a registered democrat in a “liberal” state, does not make one a democrat. I am a registered democrat, but I disagree with many of their policies as well. And while many of Joe’s talking points mirror conservative christianity, since the 80′s most of their ideology has been intertwined with the republican party. I find that these talking points, on either side, end up in more anger and defensiveness than actual logical conversation, so I tend to ignore them.

            I could say more, but I am sure it wouldn’t really matter. My prayer is that you will continue growing with God and never necome complacent in your journey, I also pray that Christ will continue to model you after himself, and I also pray you can find some grace for us progressive Christians out there. Thanks for your thoughts and comments…

  • Macroman

    My question is what constitutes a marriage in a God’s eyes and what is it societies values? The church in the middle ages used marriage as a money making operation. In Britain the result was a common law marriages. If you lived together for a certain period of time the state considered it a marriage.
    Christ met the woman at the well and recognized all her connections, which were not sanctioned by the religious community.Marriage is in this country is already a state function and a church function. Do we consider a secular marriage in LV the same as one in the church? Do you consider a muslim marriage the same as one in the church? More troubling most in the church considers their marriages just a state legal document and not a covenant between a couple and God. We have attended a number of evangelical churches where no one our age (40….50+) are in their first marriage. The divorce rate in the church is higher than in the state. What kind of grounding are we providing the young in marriage? In faith? Should we be fighting to make the secular state conforms to our God given views or should we be working to strengthen the marriages within the church so the world can see the contrast?

  • Joyce

    My thoughts are that I am so sick of all this hate, religious arguments.

    Make no wonder others want nothing to
    do with Christianity and we are just digging the hole deeper. Really, what do
    we have the others want?

    My thoughts are that I am so sick of all this hate, religious arguments.

    Make no wonder others want nothing to
    do with Christianity and we are just digging the hole deeper. Really, what do
    we have the others want?

    • keith

      What we have is salvation and ‘that’ is what they should want. It is not our job to give them the perfect christian to follow an example of as we all know there is none perfect. We should strive to follow Christ and ‘HIS TEACHINGS’ and the rest is up to the individual. If you think that you can live your life in such a way that no one could find a reason not to follow Christ you are sadly mistaken. “Hate” is a big word and so often used for mellodramatic reasons. “Hate” would encompass much more than ‘disagreeing’ with ideology. I consider your rant as much more hateful than someone disagreeing on a ideological point. In fact, its worse as you are espousing emmotion over facts. We will all see, in the end, the ‘love’ of God but we will also see the ‘wrath’ of God. If a person chooses to use you as an excuse to reject Gods teachings then it is on their head. They have some responsibility in this as everyone will be held accountable. Reconsider your definition of hate. Choose the real one and not the liberal tyrade used for everyone who disagrees with them.

  • Fred

    I can’t help but think this is one of the best things that ever happened to Chick a Fil, how many people are going to the kiss in and order some food and a drink. On Sunday after Church business is going to boom. In my mind a touch of grace is needed. The Church needs to demonstrate love, care and compassion to all communities.

    • StElizabeth

      Chick-Fil-A is closed on Sunday because they believe God wanted Christians to devote only one day a week to him

      • Drew

        You can bear false witness all you want, but the truth is apparent to all those who desire to find it. From the website, “Our founder, Truett Cathy, made the decision to close on Sundays in 1946
        when he opened his first restaurant in Hapeville, Georgia. He has
        often shared that his decision was as much practical as spiritual. He
        believes that all franchised Chick-fil-A Operators and their Restaurant
        employees should have an opportunity to rest, spend time with family and
        friends, and worship if they choose to do so. That’s why all
        Chick-fil-A Restaurants are closed on Sundays.”

      • keith

        What a rediculous and ignorant statement

  • SadChristian

    Wowwe, wow,wow,weee!!!!!!! To all homosexuality hating, man written bible quoting “Christians”, I mean all the “Christians” that profess to be acting as God’s proxy…please do tell what your solution to this whole mess is…eliminate all homosexuals, or all sinners. I guess that would be the “Christian” thing to do. Now for all of us cheating, stealing, lying church going Christians our world can go back to being perfect, and you can pat yourselves on the back and say, “they’re gone, see God, we got rid of them just for you!” In case you’re wondering, yes this is sarcasm coming from me, also a Christian, and it’s an awful feeling to say I am Christian because I don’t want to be in the group that considers themselves “God”. We can go quote for quote out of the bible, and each person could take a different interpretation from the bible, whose version is the correct one? There is only one God, and he is the only one that can tell me what he really meant, and he’s the only one that can place judgement on anyone. Has anyone had a face to face sit down chat with God lately? Maybe ask him what he really meant by some words, or did he even say them at all, or was it just “man” putting words in his mouth, and who knows, maybe if God or Jesus were available for a Q & A, they might say, I don’t like men and men together, or women and women together, but I still love them, who knows. Right now “people” hating Christians are making a certain Satan happy, he’s the one smiling right now!
    As far as the Gay community goes, what should they do…keep quiet and let God fearing Christians beat them to death like in the good old days? They can’t keep quiet, they have to speak up, and try to get some equality laws passed so they don’t get “beaten” in more ways than one. If every living person, no matter who they are, what they believe, what they look like, could truly have equal rights, there wouldn’t be one side against the other. But that my friends, is Satan’s way!

    • Mick Sheldon

      Yikes , the old days ? I suggest most of the beating of homosexuals was not done by Christians , most of the bullying of kids is not done by Christians . Bullies attack people they tend to believe are weaker and different , and its a sin to bully a homosexual . Just like I think it is wrong to have kids , gay kids , loose a greater ability to not have a mom and dad in a married family . Both genders are important , one is not more important then the other , both are needed. When the Mayors attemted to stop Chick Fil A able to have permits in their cities , that was a sign of facism . Satan would love for kids to not have a mom and dad . Calloing it equality may be an honest opinion , and a sincere one . Your also wrong from a Christian understanding , and you can be debated from a secular one . Different genders bond differently , they have different biological needs and functions. They have different brain sizes . Your guessing it will have no effect on kids and culture , your guessing . Not really my idea of concern for the most vuleraanble in this debate .

    • Michelle

      Sad, I think you have missed the point. Not supporting gay marriage *does not* mean we support violence towards GLBT or that we “hate” them. The issue here, i believe, is that some Christians believe the Bible as the Word of God, written physically by man, but with every word inspired by the Holy Spirit resulting in the actual thoughts of God the Father/Son/Holy Spirit to the world. That’s the conservative Christian view. My take on the liberal Christian view is that you guys pick and choose the parts of the Bible you like and don’t like–which gets confusing. If you make one part illegitmate, the ENTIRE thing is. This is the issue. I believe what the Bible CLEARLY has spelled out regarding homosexual sex. So, correct, we ALL sin. however, there is a difference between everyone sinning and then me as a believer, who is an American citizen, being forced to vote for something that i do not believe in and that i DO NOT believe is beneficial for the society I live in. I understand that this is a secular, pluralistic society: and as such I have EVERY right as a citizen to express my view and my vote according to MY beliefs. I have the same right that an atheist or a witch has in America, to vote their conscience.

      • Michelle

        And for that matter: purchase a chicken sandwich.

  • http://www.facebook.com/reneeltomlinson Renee L Tomlinson

    why do we encourage “hate” groups and ideals in the name of Christ?

  • http://twitter.com/laurencsheil Lauren Sheil

    You said it so much better that I ever could. It’s not about left wing or right wing politics and it shouldn’t be about concervative or liberal or even orthodox theology. Jesus calls us to a relationship with him, not a relationship with an obscure point of theology. He says to his deciples that the world will know that they are his poeple by what? A right understandig of doctrine? A cultural creed? No – by they way they love one another, dialogue with one another, live in harmony and work out their differences with one another? This incident and the debate it has caused only serve to show how far we have fallen from that ideal and makes it easier for spiritual seekers to point to our internal division as reason enough for them to stay away.

  • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric


    This Chick-Fil-A situation got out of control really quick, in no small part to a number of pundits on both ends of the spectrum adding unnecessary fuel to the fire. They made this situation more than Dan Cathy voicing his support of traditional marriage. They made it a highly structured fight; setting it up as the battle lines must be drawn because the winning worldview will immediately take its place as the dominant majority in culture. ”

    This paragraph nailed it. Dan Cathy’s words, the media firestorm, the political pundits, made for quite the spectacle. The reality is both the church and the LGBT community (which are an overlapping group, btw) were merely spectators of this spectacle at first. Neither were doing anything more than saying, “Hey, I don’t like that.”

    Then came CFA Appreciation Day. What a mess. Then Kiss-in Day. I am thankful no riots erupted. The divide it larger today thanks to Cathy, Menino, Emanuel, Huckabee, Santorum, and Palin. They played the media, the church and the LGBT community.

    The church’s following these pop-pundits into CFA on Wednesday was nothing more than a P(r)ied Piper event.

    • Frank

      No thats not correct. This was started by gay activists looking for a fight plain and simple. Well they got one and lost.

    • Drew

      You are incorrect about the timeline. The LGBT’s community incendiary response to Cathy and immediate calls for boycotts is what led to CFA Appreciation day.

      The one area where I agree with you, however, is the involvement of politicians. I think Huckabee’s idea was pretty neat, but seeing all the other politicians exploiting this issue strategically in order to bump their poll numbers was pretty disgusting.

      • Frank

        Agree but that’s how politics work sadly. Exploit anything to ensure victory.

      • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

        Huckabee is as guilty as all the rest. He’s a pundit and media hound. He played the Christian Right like a flute and they gleefully followed him and not Christ.

        Christians have had their fair share of “incendiary responses” and “calls for boycotts” all on their own. That is called free-speech.

        • Pinky

          Granted I don’t have network television and have neevr seen his show and I only loosely follow superfluous politicians, however, Huckabee was the last one I cared for. I hate that he got involved in all of this and played into the thing I can’t stand……Didn’t Campolo run for a local office about 10 years ago? Now there is someone I would get excited to see in politics.

          • Drew

            I would prefer if our pastors and ministers remained in the pulpit rather than becoming secular politicians and secular pundits.

        • http://www.facebook.com/joe.richards.313 Joe Richards

          On what objective basis do you offer such mendacious conjecture about Rev. Mike Huckabee, a good brother in the Lord and a godly and god-fearing man.

          That’s like Harry Reid saying, “I heard a rumor Presumptive President Mitt Romney did NOT pay taxes for 10 years. Now the onus is on him to prove he did!”

          Balderdash!

        • Drew

          I do not care much for Huckabee, but he is a former minister and a Christian, so I do not automatically assume his motives are evil or insincere.

          Christians don’t always act Christian, but that is changing the subject. Cathy is only responsible for this mess insomuch as he honestly answered a question when prompted. Huckabee is only responsible insomuch as he saw the boycotts and incendiary responses and thought it would be nice to financially support a business for their Biblical principles, rather than boycott or be incendiary in return.

          • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

            Drew, in one of your comments here you wrote that the LGBT group is mostly a non-Christian group.

            Cathy called them arrogant and said they were shaking their fists at god. They, quite understandably got upset. Cathy even admitted he was not prepared to answer (which tells me, in hindsight, he’d like a mulligan and chose some less offensive language. He knows, you know and I know, one can stand for traditional marraige without calling the other side names.)

            Huckabee jumped on this media train so fast he looks like an ambulance chaser. Dan Cathy is a millionaire. He doesn’t need the church’s financial support. If Huckabee and other Christians wanted to encourage a brother, several letters of encouragement would have been a more appropriate response.

            I was not at all nice to respond to an angry and hurt non-Christian group (your words) by publicly thumbing our noses to them. It felt good. Look at some of the comments here: “they picked a fight and lost.” This was what happened on Wednesday.

            In response to the cries of the lost we trounced them and laughed. There is no bible verse that will rescue us from this one.

          • Drew

            Ric,

            Financially supporting a company that is being boycotted doesn’t seem out of line to me.

            However, I do realize that 1) Not everyone was participating with good intentions, and 2) It was a symbolic event and not one that actually accomplished much. Fair enough.

          • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

            It accomplished greater division, Drew. I think you need to stop lecturing Joe until you can accept & admit that error can occur on the conservative righ

          • Drew

            Ric,

            “Not everyone was participating with good intentions… it was a symbolic event that did not actually accomplish much… I do not care much for Huckabee.”

            Don’t bear false witness, Ric. You’re just angry at me for not sharing your anger and hate towards the conservative right.

          • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

            Is this Drew? Drew, are you using two different identities?

          • Drew

            Ric,

            You are an extreme leftist that only posts when the topic is homosexuality and have intense anger, hatred, and rage towards everything Republican and/or Conservative. So much anger, hate, and rage, that you have resorted to conspiracy theories. I honestly feel sorry for you and will pray for you. Most people who sit around and invent conspiracy theories are quite lonely.

            You probably are unaware of my history on this website because you have no stake in the RLC movement, but rather, only post when the topic is on homosexuality, and then when it is, you posts dozens of times within a few days, then disappear for weeks at a time until the topic is about homosexuality again.

            So, let me clear up your areas of ignorance for you:

            1) With the exception of one person who changed their name from Drew to DrewTwo, nobody on this website has used the name “Drew” to post besides me. I read every article, so I would know.

            2) “Drew” is the only moniker I use. I have never used a different moniker, nor will I ever. The reason I don’t link my account to a blog is because I don’t have one, and the reason I don’t link my Facebook account to my profile is because of people like you, who are filled with anger, hate, rage, and conspiracy theories; I don’t want to be contacted by extremists since I have a wife and kids.

            3) I do post from different IP addresses; one is my home location, while one is my work location, fwiw.

            4) I have better things to do with my time then troll websites and invent elaborate hoaxes. Apparently, you have enough time to invent elaborate conspiracy theories.

            5) I post positive comments; just not generally directed towards you. It says more about you than it does me. I’m pretty nice guy except when confronted with angry extremism. However, even so, if you look at this thread, I said “I agree with you” multiple times. I tried to find common ground. I know you only read the posts on homosexuality, but if you read every post, you would notice that five articles ago I was the ONLY person to comment on Piatt’s article and
            I said I enjoyed it, and three articles ago, in regards to the debt, many conservatives disliked it while I said I enjoyed the article.

            Bottom line is this – you just hate anyone who is not as extreme as you or shares as extreme viewpoints as you do, especially in regards to homosexuality. Again, I feel sorry for you.

          • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

            Relax “Drew.”

            If RLC chimes in with information from their site that would explain why your prior post came up as from “Frank” and my response to it were addressed to “Frank,” I will apologize.

            However, if someone is using multiple identities, as was appearing on my screen only moments ago, you would have to agree that would be pretty disingenuous.

          • Drew

            Being slow to anger and being slow to speak is a lovely Bible verse, Ric. Although you won’t admit you were wrong until there is an FBI investigation, you don’t need to. It’s just a guy thing to be wrong and have egg on your face, and still not admit it. I forgive you already and will move on.

          • Michelle

            Awesome.

          • Michelle

            Ric, chill out. Fred and drew are clearly two different people. perhaps you are the one who is trolling?

          • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

            Very disingenuous of you, Frank/Drew/whoever you are.

          • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

            While you’re struggling with the event of being found out, just know I will be looking out for your next chosen identity. You’re spamming blog posts and commenters with repeated rebukes and attacks by seemingly different people. Talking about media hound and pouring fuel on a fire…you are trolling.

          • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

            This comment was identified as coming from Frank only a moment ago. Also the responses were previously addressed to @Frank. Whether this is Drew/Frank playing with email addresses and IPs or a bug in the Disqus software is unknown. I’ve never seen disqus do anything like this before so I’m sticking with my original assessment until RLC or Disqus owns up to an error on their part.

          • Michelle

            What was the error? If I had the time in my schedule I would have purchased food on the the day that Mike Huckabee organized. Is it only the Left that has freedom of speech, freedom of assembly and freedom to believe what you want to believe? I am subscribe to *every* possible liberal page on fb…and the level of disrespect to conservative Christians; the mocking…is unacceptable. Liberals have now driven away the conservative Christians that would have considered voting for Obama.

          • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

            I wouldn’t recommend subscribing to every possible liberal (or conservative) group on FB. Many of those are politically based and politics is messy and for the most part ugly.

            The concerns you’re addressing are political. I am more concerned with reaching out to the marginalized and the oppressed. Dan Cathy, Mike Huckabee, the Christian Right, and the Christian Left are not in the marginalized group. If anyone in these folks is having their feelings hurt, that’s not on my radar. The folks in the marginalized group are having their *lives* hurt.

          • Michelle

            Ric, do u suggest I support gay marriage? I’m really not sure what you want me to say. As a born again Christian I cannot support it. If I support gay marriage, I might as well go out and get involved with a married man. Difference of opinion does not mean I condone “hate” or violence towards GLBT. If I had a girlfriend who was involved with a married man, I would tell her it is wrong, but i would still love her. In the same breath, I can vote against gay marriage and still love GLBT folks. The Left seems to think that if someone disagrees with them, we hate them and want them annihilated.

          • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

            I was trying to point out that the people in the privileged group {Cathy, Huckabee, the Christian Right, and the Christian Left} do not in need Christians or the church to defend their constitutional rights.

            The gay community is the marginalized group here. People are free to vote their conscious, no objections there. My question is this: what are we doing to stand with the marginalized to illustrate our love for them? … because all that is being seen are things like CFA Day and voting against gay marriage. That doesn’t look or feel like love to those in the gay community.

          • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

            I was trying to point out that the people in the privileged group {Cathy, Huckabee, the Christian Right, and the Christian Left} do not in need Christians or the church to defend their constitutional rights.

            The gay community is the marginalized group here. People are free to vote their conscious, no objections there. My question is this: what are we doing to stand with the marginalized to illustrate our love for them? … because all that is being seen are things like CFA Day and voting against gay marriage. That doesn’t look or feel like love to those in the gay community.

          • Michelle

            Also, Ric…I don’t know you and you don’t know me…so I thank you for your recommendations re: fb….but I am a staunch Democrat and one issue (gay marriage) will not prevent me from voting for Obama. There are economic issues at stake for Americans, so i subscribe to any and everything I feel like subscribing to.

          • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

            Cool. Just please don’t ascribe everything you read from members of those groups to all of us who support marriage equality and who choose to stand with the LGBT community.

          • Michelle

            Dan Cathy has the right to freedom of speech; and also the right to donate his family’s $ to whatever cause they choose. I don’t think I have ever supported a Republican in my life (Colin Powell had a brief chance before he lied about Iraq)…but I did and do support Huckabee for organizing the day to support Chick Fil A. I have brought my child to Chick Fil A since he was a baby. They stand out in customer service and they are publicly Christian in many values. Will the Left respect those who differ with them? I do love GLBT people, but I do not agree with gay marriage. I found the Left’s and the Christian Left’s response to Dan Cathy & to conservative Christians, reprehensible in it’s intolerance. The Left constantly accuses the Right of being “intolerant.” Now the shoe is on the other foot.

          • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

            Michelle,

            I see the “free speech” argument as a convenient excuse for CFA Day. No ones free speech right was or is being threatened. Where free speech is threatened, people who say something against the state are arrested or sanctioned in some way.
            Dan Cathy called people arrogant and said they were shaking their fist at god. They got upset. No surprise there. He’s certainly free to say those things. People are, in turn, free to say insulting things back.
            As a Christian neither insult should have been thrown out there. As American citizens, we’re free to throw insults despite our calling to do otherwise.
            I think many Christians like myself (and pretty much all of the LGBT community) are becoming more and more incensed at how this minority group is actively being marginalized.
            And the reality is the lion’s share of the active marginalization is coming from conservative Christian groups. Of course that makes those on the receiving end angry.

    • Anonymous

      Rick, you said some really idiotic things on a previous RLC blog, but you’ve topped yourself here. Maybe you should refrain from posting here. We are all dumber for reading your nonsense.

    • Mick Sheldon

      Rick using the Christian Right automatically gives me some assumptions where your coming from. Unfortunately blocks discussions when you bring in stereotypes. All sides do that . But the intimidation and how this was covered is very telling . Can you imagin if a Mayor told a Gay Group they were not welcome doing business in their city ? The mayor Of Chicago supported a President who basically was pro traditional marriage just a short time ago. Now according to people your not worthy of the city you live in. if you hold on to thinking that an important aspect of marriage is kids having a mom and dad , that changing that arrangement makes it at times impossible for kids to have a mom and dad in a married family.

      • http://ricbooth.wordpress.com Ric

        Mike, we do not have to imagine what it would look like to make gays and gay groups unwelcome. We have centuries of examples to draw on for that up to and including present day. The reluctance of many Christians to acknowledge this is sad.

  • David

    I like this piece, I like it a lot. To know God and make Him known, this is what matters. When we engage in this politicized nonsense we create barriers between God and people, just like the Pharisees. If we,genuinely expressed God’s heart on this matter. That He loves all, that Henwants relationship with all, that He came to set us all free, heal us all, redeem any who would accept Him. Instead we are the barrier.
    If we really believe that gayness is wrong or brokenness, we should be setting ourselves up to rescue and be part of the healing process. Of course it’s not about that, it’s about controlling and power and political point scoring. Some of the worst idolatry I’ve experienced.
    I dare any who would take the challenge, put down your political party and press just into God. Do it for a couple of years, see how His Kingship works.
    Again, a great piece. Thanks for penning it.

    • Frank

      I agree with you but how do you think the gay community or their supporters would respond to “we are here to rescue and heal you”?

      It’s inaccurate to suggest that it’s the church and Christians who are rejecting gay people. That’s not true. It’s gay people rejecting Christians and the church so we could and should be loving but until we affirm and accept their sin as not a sin it will not be good enough for them. Don’t believe me? Ask them.

  • http://www.fivedills.com Greg Dill

    As a Christian I avoid the tribalism that is often bred by socio-political and culture wars like this. I purposely avoided Chick-fil-A on Wednesday and instead went to Chick-fil-A on Friday. Not in solidarity with those who support gay marriage, but to share and show the love of Jesus Christ to them through my word and deed. And, although I hung out for nearly three hours without a single “pro-gay” proponent showing up, I was ready to engage in civil discourse with anyone who wanted to talk. And, the first thing that I wanted to tell them was that “I am sorry”. I am sorry for the way we Christians are reacting to this. I am sorry for the tribalism that has formed. I am sorry for the way we Christians are treating you. And, most of all, I am sorry for the way we Christians do a lousy job of reflecting the grace and love of the very man who we worship and believe in.

    • Frank

      There is nothing loving about encouraging, ignoring or supporting sinful behavior.

      • Star

        How is bridging the above mentioned gap encouraging, ignoring, or supporting sinful behavior? How is it not loving?

        Here’s a thought to ponder and I will put it in a very personal way. When someone approaches me, they too are approaching a sinner. Do they point out all my sins and short comings? Are they encouraging me to sin by not doing so?

        If we were to look from another’s perspective, how can we clean everyone else’s house if first we do not clean our own? If you were outside Christianity looking in what would you see? Would you see a loving group of people or would you see a group of people that argue with each other and everyone else?

        And as far as supporting sinful behavior goes, I am sure we all do it daily. Whether it be intentional or not.

        • Frank

          The crux of the issue is whether you believe that homosexual behavior is sinful or not. It either is or is not.

          I am all for bridging the gap and reaching out. I am all for finding a more loving communication. I am for accepting any sinner into my life as an equal.

          What we cannot do is lie and say that homosexual behavior is not sinful. What we cannot do is provide any support of sinful behavior by either acceptance, tolerance or silence.

          So if by bridge the gap you mean to find a better way to meet people where they are and lead them away from sinful behavior and into a more Godly life then lets do it! I doubt anyone would argue with that.

          • http://www.fivedills.com Greg Dill

            That was pretty much the point of my comments. But, in order to meet people where they are, you have to bridge the gap. You’re not going to meet people where they are by Bible-bashing them from across a huge social/political divide. Jesus was the best example of this. He dined with sinners, He loved on them (i.e. Samarian woman at well, tax collectors, prostitutes, and adultresses). And, so should we.

          • Frank

            I agree Greg. It just seems like christians who make their identity their sexuality instead of Christ would never accept that the goal is to lead them away from their sin, which of course they refuse to accept as sinful.

            It’s important to understand that those that want homosexuality to be normalized created and are widening the currrent divide.

            Also does bridging the gap include people apologizing for calling others bigots and haters?

          • http://www.fivedills.com Greg Dill

            We can’t expect others to take the initiative to bridge the gap. That is up to us as believers of Christ to do. And the only way people (gay or straight) will recognize their sin is when the Holy Spirit indwells them. And, this can only start with a simple relationship with those who don’t have Christ in their lives. It is only through us sharing with others (through both word and deed) about the Good News of Jesus Christ will seeds will be planted in their hearts. That’s hard to do when we are involved with these petty culture wars. Quite frankly, I believe these culture wars are a distraction from the Truth perpetrated by the enemy.

          • Star

            We live in a world where we seem to fear and/or attack that which is not hidden. I believe that there is a difference between “normalizing” and recognizing.

            Is it better to have a society “living in the closet?”

            Homosexuality exists. If I were gay, due to my conviction, I would be a non-practicing homosexual.

            Once again, why is there such a cry for government/state to behave as if it is the church? Why does the church seem to want the state to be they church?

      • keith

        Exactly Frank, it is quite the opposite to ignore it or encourage it. If their theory is correct then I dicipline my children because I hate them and I can assure you that is not the case.

      • keith

        Wow Frank, you have 7 dislikes of this statement. This says more than a page of rebuttal. If they disagree with this statement then they are hopeless.

    • keith

      Greg, How can you say that the people who went to Chik Fil A were being uncivil? How can you make a broad statement that their intent was to denegrate homosexuals?? I would like to say that it was about nothing more than Christians resoundingly saying to the world that we have the ‘right’ to disagree with their ideas, lifestyle and tactics. I mean, do you really have to list all the ways the left and the proponents of homosexuality denegrate, bombard, try to silence, attack etc…. christians?? I really hope realize what you are saying. The reality of it is that the liberal agenda allows NO dissent. As proven with their silly Kiss In to retaliate for the support shown to the Cathys. I will never accept homosexuality nor will any of my family or the majority of my friends. We can live within society together however I will always point out this sin just like I would showing my children what drug abuse,gluttony, greed or any other sin looks like. Teaching what is right and wrong doesnt make you hateful, it makes you a ‘good’ parent.
      It is impossible to show someone how to come to know Jesus without, at some point, addressing an addictive sin. I said it before, There is NO salvation without the remission of sin. This is exactly why we have people under the impression that they are preahers and are homosexuals. It is also why they are under the false impression that they lead a homosexual church that they think God is blessing. Its insane. I submit to you that this is exactly the outcome of never identifying sin to them. They feel like you are ok with it and actually condone it in some cases. Why would they want to change when they can live in sin and think that they are going to heaven?? At some point the teeth in the bible have to be shown. All is not about love and ‘everything goes’. Im curious what your response to someone who tells you they are gay and they are a preacher of a homosexual church?? In this case you have nothing to say to them as you cant address the issue. If standing up for my beliefs is wrong then I will have to hear it when I get to heaven. I dont believe it is and neither should you my friend.

  • Star

    How should a Christian respond?

    I respond like this: Christianity is not a political party!

    As a Christian geography means nothing. I am called to love my neighbor and who is my neighbor? Everyone!

    As a Christian how I vote will reflect my values. I will vote knowing that politics and politicians are imperfect. I will vote with no misconception that the state is the church nor is the church the state.

    I am both exhausted and saddened by the “Christian” viewpoints I see expressed regarding politics on my Facebook and I refuse to add fuel to their flames.

    I am a sinner. I am trying to live unbroken in a broken world. I pray that when I meet someone I will see them as a fellow human created by God. I pray that when they look at me they will see Jesus in me.

    I pray that they will see I am a Christian by my love!

    Romans (NIV)
    6 You see, at just the right time, when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. 7 Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous person, though for a good person someone might possibly dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

  • http://twitter.com/aDvpgXtian A Developing Xtian

    I agree with the ‘I love you’, I totally disagree with
    the ‘then walk away’ part. The problem
    is that walking away is not a loving action, it is an action of indifference,
    not of love.

    I believe we should simply do as Jesus does. Take the
    woman at the well. Jesus did not just
    tell her he loved her and walked away, he engaged her in conversation. Not simple conversation, but invited her it a
    bit, then challenged her. Within the
    scripture this invitation/challenge happens a number of times. In the end she walks away a believer because
    she saw the Truth of Jesus.

    Jesus calls all of us to imitate him, thus I suggest we
    seek out the LGBT folks that are people of peace (Luke 10:6) and share the Truth with
    them. One of the truths that really jump
    out at me is John 8:11: …Neither do I condemn you…

    As Christians we need to allow our faith to be lived out in
    loving words and supported by the loving
    way we live: lets engage! As in Mark 1:41, the clean purifies the dirty,
    we must enter into relationship with one and all if they are to come to
    believe, too!

  • Michelle

    Andrew, great article. I agree that Christians need to find a way to discuss these issues in a pluralistic, secular society. I support Dan Cathy’s freedom of speech. I wish liberal activists (of which I am one on almost all political issues) would show respect to the conservative Christian stance on gay marriage. I have seen secular liberals and liberal Christians display exactly the type of intolerance that they have accused us of having; but for some reason they are blinded to their own hypocrisy. It is totally disrespectful to have a kiss in *knowing* that this is offensive to theologically conservative Christians. My question is: if Dan Cathy spoke out about abortion, would the liberals have public abortions in front of Chick Fil A? It would be consistent with what they did on Friday. Why not just go all the way and have sex in front of Chick Fil A?

  • Mick Sheldon

    I live in the state of Washington. We have gay marriage ion our ballot after our legislature approved it our Governor signed it . Family groups got signatures to vote on it. We have had Micro Soft and Amazon.com come out and support gay marriage . Amazon giving a large financial support also . I tend to see the left much more aggressive on these issues in regards to the intimidation factor . Why is because the left is very sincere , but they also have a belief it appears if you disagree it is based on hate or bigotry . And when hate is inserted in the argument , it reinforces that idealogical understanding they have . Standing up so kids will always have a Mom and Dad in a married family is a Bibical view and a commonsense view also . You can disagree, but base it on your “opinion” and eat somewhere else if you don’t like it .

  • Mick Sheldon

    I live in the state of Washington. We have gay marriage ion our ballot after our legislature approved it our Governor signed it . Family groups got signatures to vote on it. We have had Micro Soft and Amazon.com come out and support gay marriage . Amazon giving a large financial support also . I tend to see the left much more aggressive on these issues in regards to the intimidation factor . Why is because the left is very sincere , but they also have a belief it appears if you disagree it is based on hate or bigotry . And when hate is inserted in the argument , it reinforces that idealogical understanding they have . Standing up so kids will always have a Mom and Dad in a married family is a Bibical view and a commonsense view also . You can disagree, but base it on your “opinion” and eat somewhere else if you don’t like it .

  • Anonymous

    Finally, a voice for sane civil discourse! Thanks, Andrew, for making it feel a little less lonely in the center.

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