A Gift for Trump Supporters

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I’m giving away FREE books to folks who are thinking about voting for Trump.  
 

I realize that many of you who follow my stuff are not Trump-supporters, but I’m hoping you will share this with people you know who are. I am sincerely trying to get underneath what is motivating many older, mostly white evangelicals to support his bid for Presidency.  
 

As a committed Christian, I am deeply troubled by the things Donald Trump has said, and the values he espouses. They just seem so different from the values of Jesus.
 

Just recently, Mr. Trump declared, “We are going to get greedy for the United States, and grab and grab and grab.” But greed is one of the seven deadly sins, something Scripture denounces over and over, saying the “love of money is the root of all kinds of evil” (1 Timothy 6:10). Jesus insists that we cannot serve both God and money (Matthew 6:19 ), and radically proclaims, “Blessed are the poor… Woe to you who are rich” (Luke 6:24).
 

And that’s just the latest disturbing thing we’ve heard from Mr. Trump.


 
He has insulted women, folks with disabilities, immigrants and Muslims. He’s said that he could walk in the middle of 5th Avenue in New York City and shoot someone and still win the election. Without judging Mr. Trump, the fragrance of his message just doesn’t smell like Jesus. He called the Pope “disgraceful”, and has now been endorsed by the former leader of the KKK, David Duke. One does start to wonder: Aren’t the priorities of Jesus radically at odds with those of the KKK?
 

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So — I am genuinely trying to understand how a committed Christian would be compelled to support Donald Trump.
 

Here’s the deal – I’m giving away as many books as I can — to people who will take the time to explain in 500 words or so how your commitment to Jesus inclines you to support Donald Trump. This is not a joke — I’m serious. Please include your phone number, if you are willing to talk and pray with me on the phone.
 

You can send your 500-word essay with “TRUMP?” as the subject-line to this address: sc@redletterchristians.org
 

And for the sake of transparency, the book I’m sending you is Jesus for President. I think you’ll like it. It’s for political misfits and folks who are fed up with the filthy rotten system… but who also still believe in the power of love.
 

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Shane ClaiborneShane Claiborne is a Red Letter Christian and a founding partner of The Simple Way community, a radical faith community in Philadelphia. His forthcoming book, Executing Grace comes out in June. View all posts by Shane Claiborne →

  • WFU86

    What a great idea, Shane! I believe it’s critical that Christians considering voting for Trump take this step of self-examination before it’s too late.

    I’ve asked this same question of several Trump supporting friends and they tend to equate Trump’s…um, passion…with Jesus’ righteous anger in the temple. Ugh.

  • Frank

    Anybody but Hillary!

    • Mark Munger

      Anybody but Hillary or Trump is my hope.

      • Frank

        Me too! But it doesn’t look like we will get what we are hoping for. This is an anti establishment election which is why trump and sanders are doing so well and why sanders is the only chance of not having a president trump.

        • Mark Munger

          I honestly don’t mean to rattle the cage but to my current belief Bernie Sanders is the only career politician running this year to has staid on message for 40+ years not changing it depending on the current mood of the country or the crowd he is talking too and that says a lot to me about his character as a human being, even if I don’t agree with him on some of his issues.

          • Frank

            You are correct he has the most integrity although Ted Cruz has as well.

          • Blerg

            Ted Cruz lies more than nearly any other candidate. Google search “Ted Cruz lies” and research what he says. (This site appears to not allow links, or I would happily include proof).

          • Frank

            Everyone lies. Cruz is consistent in his beliefs just like Bernie.

  • Christopher Rose

    It’s March 1st, Super Tuesday. A bit late, I’d say.

  • otrotierra

    Thank you Shane Claiborne for another Jesus-centered commentary. This pairs nicely with another RLC post, Dr. Campolo’s “Trumpism and Evangelicals.”

    • JC is a lefty

      Amen

  • craig

    Who would Shane recommend? Hillary? Bernie?
    Give me a break those two are as bad for society as trump and as far from christian as you can get.

    • Frank

      That’s why politics is not our savior nor will bring Christlikeness to our country. Who supports the choice to kill off our most vulnerable in the thousands daily? Whoever that is, vote for the other person. Hold your nose if you must.

      • craig

        I agree with you Frank

        • Frank

          I know you do.

      • JenniferGerber

        Bush supported killing off our young people by the thousands. I voted against him. Both times. You’re welcome.

        • Frank

          Young people and our most innocent are not the same things. And obviously your votes didn’t matter.

          • Blerg

            So the lives of young soldiers are unimportant. Good to know.

          • Frank

            That’s not what I said. Our young men and women who choose to join the military knowing what was involved and were killed in war lived at least 18 years of God given life. The unborn were never given the chance to live even one year of genre God given life.

    • A.R.

      Bernie actually has a platform that focuses on helping the poor, unprivileged, and forgotten. That seems pretty darn Christian to me.

      • Frank

        The most forgotten are the unborn.

  • katiekingmusic

    We’re not voting on our savior for goodness sake. We already know Jesus Christ is our Lord and savior. We live in a broken world with broken people. No one is perfect; we are all sinners as you all know. But if I vote for Donald Trump that in no way has anything to do with my relationship with Jesus. It’s kind of insulting to think someone could judge in that way. No, he’s not my favorite, but I will not vote for the other party, and I will not NOT vote. As an American citizen i can vote for the person I think is best for the country. Not voting doesn’t help a darn thing. If Jesus was on the ballot, heck yeah I’d vote for him, but in real life, he’s not. That doesn’t mean he isn’t in my heart, because he is. Just as much as we have he right the vote, we have the right to not vote, but what good does that do? It shows ignorance and apathy to the country we live in and “love.” I will say once again, he is not my favorite, but I believe he’s the best for the job from what we are working with.

    • WFU86

      I agree with you in many ways, but I’m going to challenge you a little bit. You say your vote for Trump would have nothing to do with your relationship with Jesus. Shouldn’t everything we do (or don’t do) be informed by our faith? Isn’t that the kind of thinking that enables all of our misdeeds? When we compartmentalize our life and say that Jesus doesn’t belong in some spaces, aren’t we making a huge mistake?

      For me, this election cycle is shaping up to be a true no win situation. No matter who I vote for, it will end up being in spite of my faith, not because of it.

      • Frank

        A vote for any candidate who supports the killing of our most vulnerable by the thousands daily is a vote against Jesus no?

        • WFU86

          I wish it was that simple…especially if it comes down to Trump and Hillary. Neither has a good pro-life record.

          • Frank

            It actually is simple not only in the presidental election but also the senate and house.

            Protecting A Woman’s Right to Choose. The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman’s right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right. Abortion is an intensely personal decision between a woman, her family, her doctor, and her clergy; there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way.

            – Democratic platform

          • WFU86

            And you think Trump will be different? That was his position until he decided to run as a Republican.

          • Frank

            He says he is prolife. That’s better than saying otherwise. Even more important is the house and senate.

            I understand Trump is a risk but Hillary is completely unacceptable. We already know who she is.

            If there ever was a time for a single issue voter decision, this election is it.

          • Quick push-back. Speaking only for myself, I’d rather a person be pro-choice, but at least honest about it, than SAY they’re pro-life without actually being pro-life.

          • Frank

            Do you have proof that Trump isn’t pro life now?

            And I’d rather go with the chance they might be prolife than with someone who is clear they are not. At least the unborn might have a chance to have the God given gift of life.

          • Proof? No, as it is impossible to know the human heart.

            But there’s plenty of evidence that Trump has a habit of saying what is expedient for the moment, and then changing when that expediency changes. Put simply, I cannot therefore trust that Trump is pro-life, and I must therefore look to other indicators of how I should vote.

          • Frank

            Well we know Clinton is not prolife so…. And she says whatever she needs to get elected as well.

          • I suppose that if you’re a one-issue voter on this issue (and you’ve already made clear that you are), you’re left taking your chances that Trump will actually keep his word this time. I don’t envy you that position.

            Myself, I think there are other ways of saving unborn children than simply whether or not abortion is made illegal, and will pursue those avenues in the absence of any clear indicator that it will be made illegal anytime soon. That means potentially voting for pro-choice candidates who are good in other areas.

          • Frank

            I don’t understand how you could in good conscience. The primary gift and blessing that God gives us is life. If we can’t first protect that than we are failures at following God. All the other things that can be done are good but we cannot in good conscience simply allow the thousands of unborn children to be killed daily while we try and solve societal ills.

            If there ever was an election to be a single issue voter this one is it with the Supreme Court in question.

          • This will be my last response on this issue, as I find I’m going to start repeating myself.

            Having pro-life presidents has done little to cause fewer abortions to happen (conversely, the number of abortions hasn’t tended to increase dramatically under pro-choice presidents). There’s little reason to believe that this will change under Trump. I will therefore consider other positions in my decision making than simply whether that president agrees with me on abortion. The goal of saving unborn children is one I agree with. We simply differ on the most effective means of achieving that goal.

          • Frank

            Yes because it takes more than the president. It takes congress, courts and local governments. Which is why this year is so important to not vote democrat in any election and while hold your nose if you must, vote against them. It less of a vote for someone as a vote against something. Sadly this is where we are.

            God is not going to ask us whether we voted to require an ID to vote, or whether we increased the minimum wage or whether we made everyone have equal outcome in our economy, he will ask what did you do with the precious gift of life I gave? Did you use it fully yourself and did you protect it in others.

          • Mark Munger

            I think Jesus told us in Mathew 25:31-46 what he will ask us on that day, When you saw me naked why didn’t you clothe me? When you saw me in prison why didn’t you visit me? When you saw me starving why didn’t you feed me? When you saw me thirsty why didn’t you give me a drink? When you saw me as a stranger why didn’t you invite me into your home?

          • Frank

            There are thousands every day that, through no choice of their own, have been denied, in rejection of God, Gods gift of life. We will have to answer for that first. Don’t kid yourself. The primary stranger we invite in are the unborn. There are no more least of the “least of these” than the unborn.

          • Mark Munger

            I wonder why Jesus didn’t say that then?

          • Frank

            Are you suggesting that Jesus is ok with abortion?

          • Mark Munger

            No , if Jesus meant that the stranger he was talking about was in fact the unborn as you suggest why didn’t he just say so then?

          • Frank

            Ask Jesus. It’s almost as if this is so obvious it didn’t need to explicitly be said “don’t kill the life I create.” But if there is anyone we don’t know yet it’s the unborn child.

            What exactly are you arguing for? Does God gift life or not? Is is vitally important what we do with this gift or not?

          • Mark Munger

            Frank, you were the one who said Jesus was going to ask us what we did with the precious gift of life, I merely pointed out a passage of scripture where Jesus himself actually told me the questions I would be asked Matt. 25:31-46. You the told me not to kid myself the stranger was the unborn. I then said I wonder why he didn’t clearly say that in this passage then? I guess I’m arguing for keeping texts about the sanctity of life where they belong and texts about inviting the stranger in where they belong.

          • Frank

            Well you do know he was talking about how Christians were treating other Christians right?

            Why didn’t Jesus say don’t sexually molest children?

          • Mark Munger

            Good question.

          • Mark Munger

            If Jesus was talking about how Christians treat other Christians then there must be a lot of Christian goats on the left going into the fires of hell prepared for the devil and his angels. (Matt 25:41-43)

          • Frank

            That’s what the text says. And yes many will say they were do,lowers of Jesus and Jesus will say I never knew you.

          • Frank

            And if you believe for one second that we will not be held accountable for the unborn you will be in for a rude awakening.

          • Mark Munger

            Didn’t ever say we wouldn’t be held accountable for the unborn, but it will be part of a long list it looks like to me.

          • JenniferGerber

            We’ve had a conservative supermajority. They did nothing for the pro-life movement. Wake up and smell the coffee. Republican politicians are not pro-life. They claim it to sucker people like you into voting for them and then spend their terms pushing policies that hurt the lives of everyone already born.

          • Frank

            Just not true. Democrats support killing our most vulnerable and innocent. No getting around that.

          • JC is a lefty

            Very true

          • JC is a lefty

            Most people on here claim they are pro life but support wars and death penalties. Pro birth yes pro life no.

          • Mark Munger

            Ultimately God is in control of life not man, woman, politician, pastors, demonstrators, voters. We wonder maybe as they did in the Old Testament (Israel’s sin, sacrificing children in the fire to Molech) why God allows it (abortion) to continue?

          • Frank

            I agree but as citizens we need to vote and vote what’s most important.

          • JenniferGerber

            “Than say they’re pro-life without actually being pro-life.”
            Accurate description of every Republican politician.

          • Mark Munger

            Jesus would say not true, let your yeah’s be yeah and your nay’s nay. I for one want a President who tells the truth.

          • Frank

            When you meet a politician who always tells the truth let me know.

          • Mark Munger

            Exactly my point none of them do Republican nor Democratic hopefuls.

          • Frank

            Yes so telling the truth is not relevant in elections.

          • Mark Munger

            What was gained during all the Reagan, HW Bush, GW Bush Presidencies involving 20 years no improvement in the pro life cause so to me it doesn’t make a difference, most of the politicians on either side don’t fully support their party’s platform.

          • Frank

            Last time I looked common sense abortion laws are being put into place despite the outright resistance of democrats.

          • Mark Munger

            Problem solved!

          • Frank

            No. Guess who is trying to roll them back? Democrats.

          • JC is a lefty

            Good it is their bodies not yours

          • Frank

            Yes and it’s all of humanities responsibility to protect the bodies of our most vulnerable, the unborn.

          • JC is a lefty

            Shame God forbid committed abortions in the OT

          • Frank

            Take it up with God if you believe that.

        • Katie1011

          Thanks for your input, but I’m not voting against Jesus. I’m voting because I am proud to be an American and because there are certain people I would rather see in the White House than others, and I would like to excersize my right to actually have a say in that. Again, he’s not my favorite, but what I see as best for what we are working with. It’s a broken world, we are all broken people, no leader on earth is ever going to be EXACTLY what we need because he’s not Jesus. They’re every bit as broken as we are. Everyone is. What are you going to do? Not vote? Im voting. I’m a conservative and I’m voting that way. Doing nothing gets nothing accomplished. Someone is going to be the new President whether we like it or not. And honestly, I vote for Ben Carson today because he was my favorite, and because I wanted to courteously boost his numbers, even though I know trump is going to get it. I’m just saying, as I’ve said many times, there are certain individuals I’d rather see in the White House.

          • Frank

            I agree with you but Ben will not be the nominee. Anyone will be better than a democrat in the general election.

          • WFU86

            I just finished casting a vote for Ben in the Texas primary. Maybe it’s throwing away my vote, but at least I voted my conscience. Like Ben says, if everybody who wanted to vote for him actually did – he just might win.

          • Frank

            Good, I like Ben the best and would vote for him if I could. The primaries are one thing, the general election is quite another.

          • Mark Munger

            We don’t know that, we may believe that but know one knows what each individual would do once elected.

          • Frank

            We know that the democrats will never do anything to restrict abortion. We know that.

          • Mark Munger

            No we don’t know it we believe it and once again what have any of the Republicans done? Nothing!!!

          • Frank

            Not true. Its state republicans that are doing the most to protect life. They need support in the courts, White House and senate.

          • Mark Munger

            States is where the most ground can be made the National stage involves to many other interest groups.

          • Frank

            I agree but it will be easier and more effective with national backing. More lives will be saved and that’s what’s important.

          • Genevieve

            I think what Shane is asking Katie is why, of the given possible candidates, would you rather see Trump in the White House? What is is specifically that he has said, or that he stands for, that you see as being better than what Hillary has said or stands for?

          • Frank

            Everything. Hillary is a proven liar and a terrible leader. Trump may be a risk but he is infinitely better than Hillary.

            It’s a shame the Dems don’t get behind Sanders. I don’t agree with him on every thing but I trust what he says. He actually could beat Trump.

          • Genevieve

            Ok Frank, but lets talk more specifically than just everything though. I THINK (although I maybe shouldn’t be speaking for Shane) but what I think he is saying is, what is it specifically that Trump is saying that is more like what Jesus would say than other candidates? Lets take a specific topic…immigration specifically regarding Muslim people. How is what Trump is saying about Muslims more like what Jesus would have to say about immigrants/refugees than what Hillary is saying?

          • Frank

            See my comment above about what isn’t Christlike.

          • Genevieve

            You mean the comment that there is nothing Christ like about abortion, taxes by force and homosexual relationships?

          • Frank

            That’s the one.

          • Genevieve

            Ok just wanted to make sure.
            So I guess my next question is what is Christlike about any of Trump’s comments, opinions, concerns, manner of speaking, vocabulary, lifestyle, life choices?

          • Frank

            We are not electing a Pastor. Our president shouldn’t be expected to be held to Christian standards. We look at their positions and policies on important matters that Jesus values, life being the primary one.

          • Genevieve

            No we’re not electing a pastor and we should look at at candidates positions on the basis of what Jesus values, I agree. But are you saying that Jesus would value the lives of unborn babies in America more than the lives of Syrian refugee babies? Or Mexican babies? Are you saying that ONLY thing that Jesus cares about it abortion?

          • Frank

            The unborn are robbed of the life God gifted them. Jesus values all life. No one is advocating killing refugee babies or any babies except the unborn. It must start there. We can’t say we truly value life unless we allow life.

          • Genevieve

            Sorry for all my errors during my last post.
            So I guess you are saying that you feel that the abortion issue supersedes everything else that Jesus talked about, that it is the only issue we need to be concerned about if and when voting? Am I understanding you correctly? And you believe that Donald Trump is actually telling the truth when he says he is anti abortion?
            If so are you saying that you think a man who made fun of his opponent for having to go to the bathroom during a break in a debate, repeats obscenities yelled during rallies, cheats on one wife, divorces two, spends his entire adult life focused on getting rich, says we are going to go around the world and “grab, grab, grab”…actually cares about unborn babies?

          • Frank

            If we don’t respect and protect humanities most vulnerable life, all our talk and actions beyond that are like a cup, that’s shiny on the outside but dirty and diseased inside.

          • Katie1011

            Keep in mind, I voted Ben Carson for the primary. Trump wasn’t my pick, but I did know he basically had the primary. Voted Ben because I wanted to boost his number and because I liked him the most. Now that it’s Trump and Hilary, I would say I would have to go with Trump. The issues such as taxes, abortion, immigration, guns, healthcare etc line up waaaaaaaaaay more with my beliefs than Hilary’s. Therefore, I am voting for him. Done here. Thanks for the good debate guys. :)

          • Genevieve

            Ok so Trump lines up with your beliefs. But do they line up Jesus? Thats really I guess the bottom line Katie. Would Jesus insist on his right to have a gun to defend himself? Would Jesus chose to build a wall to keep out the poor? Would Jesus turn away refugees even if welcoming meant his life was in danger? Would Jesus prioritize keeping more of the money he made instead of making sure everybody had there needs met?

          • Frank

            Jesus never said to not defend ourselves or those we love. He even told his disciples to carry a weapon.

            No one is trying to keep out the poor. We have a robust legal immigration system that allows people to come into our home.

            No one is trying to prevent refugees from coming. It’s wise to vet them beforehand however. And most of those refugees would rather stay home. We should work on making their home a safe place for them.

            Jesus told his disciples to feed the hungry. As Christians we are called to care for those in need not force others to do so through government taxation.

          • Genevieve

            And when Peter used his sword to defend Jesus, Jesus rebuked him and healed the soldier’s ear. So I’m not sure how scripture can be used to defend the insistence on owning guns.

            Donald Trump doesn’t want to keep the poor out? Are you sure?

            Donald Trump actually said no Muslim refugees. All refugees are vetted in a lengthly, detailed process (which is already more strict for Iraqis and Syrians than for anyone else) in which, if all goes smoothly, takes 3 years. Of course these people would rather stay home but are you suggesting killing other people to help them stay home? You yourself said that Jesus values life so how does that work?

            I’m totally with you on the church feeding the poor. And I’m sure if the church actually did it the government would be more than happy not to have to tax anybody for it.

          • Frank

            Jesus did that, not because Peter used his sword. But because he used it in that particular instance. The events had to happen so Jesus was saying, don’t fight what needs to happen, which was his arrest, trial, torture, crucifixion, death and resurrection.

          • Genevieve

            So are you saying that you think Jesus condones violence? Can you show me that in scripture?

          • Frank

            Jesus tells us violence is not the answer for humanities problems.

          • craig

            Hillary’s dont either

          • Genevieve

            Right and that’s a point made in Shane’s book. NO politician is ever going to line up with Jesus 100%. But because we know Jesus, and our REAL hope is never in the political process or any elected candidate, and our REAL “country of citizenship” is heaven, our position as Christian to be to use our position as Americans to vote like Jesus would, to vote for what matters to him.
            I really really recommend you read Shane’s book – its excellent. And it really helps Christians in an election year who have questions or worries about what’s going on and what each of us should do about it.

        • Mark Munger

          I think that’s Katie’s point each and every candidate is a fallen broken human being with some stance on an issue, be it abortion, war, social programs that go against the Jesus of the Sermon on the Mount.

          • Frank

            Life is the primary issue. It is the one primary thing God blesses us with. Without life nothing else matters.

          • Mark Munger

            Life is an important issue but when you are running for President of the United States there are many other things to consider.

          • Frank

            We are not running for president. What we need as Christians to primarily be concerned about is life.

      • Katie1011

        I didn’t say God doesn’t belong in my decisions as you spinned it. He is in my decisions, but as I said before, I’m exercising my right to vote, and of all the candidates, I chose him because I would rather have him in the whitehouse than Hilary. Just being honest. Certain people I would rather see in office than others, as I’ve said before. If you take away all the crap the media is saying about him, his position on issues line up with mine more than the other candidate. As I said before, doing nothing does nothing.

        • WFU86

          Sorry, if I misunderstood you. I wasn’t trying to spin your words.

          That said, I don’t think the media is against Trump per se. They’re against conservatives. Trump generates buzz (which sells advertising) and makes Republicans look crazy. A win-win for the media.

          • Blerg

            What media are you watching or listening to? Most of the “media” – Fox “News”, MSNBC, CNN, all the major networks give Trump all the time and coverage in the world, and never criticize or challenge him. They never challenge conservatives, certainly give them more coverage than actual “outsider” candidates. And if republicans come off as crazy, well, maybe the shoe fits.

          • WFU86

            Let’s be clear – Trump’s airtime is in no way a show of support. It’s an effective way to generate ratings and sell advertising. I’ve gotta admit, as much as I dislike a Trump, I tune in because I can’t wait to see what he’ll say next.

          • Blerg

            It’s not support, but it is free advertising for his hate-filled message, especially since he is rarely challenged on the awful things he says.

          • WFU86

            I agree. Honestly, every time I hear Trump I think “this HAS to be a joke…right?”

          • JC is a lefty

            Correct he is not allow d to be challenged as he kicks them out

          • jim

            That is funny

      • Ryan

        American Christianity has been watered down to a political movement that can be bought by pandering political candidates because American Christians have spent more time operating in a spirit of fear, anger, being offended and defending their faith than they have praying for the leaders of this country and being the change they want to see. Perhaps a little more quiet time/living sacrifice and a lot less Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck would be a good start.

        • WFU86

          Amen, brother. I could not agree more.

        • Frank

          And a lot less msnbc and cnn too.

    • Genevieve

      Have you read Shane’s book Katie? I really recommend it. What you wrote above is about 1/4 of the way to the 500 word essay anyway so why not write and get a copy of the book. Its not just about voting…or not voting. Its about making every decision like Jesus is your king. Which is way above a president anyway.

      • craig

        Then why does Shane only single out Trump. I don’t like trump. It is clear by his silence who Shane is for

        • JC is a lefty

          Jesus

          • craig

            Missed the point as usual.

          • JC is a lefty

            Nope

        • Genevieve

          What do you mean by his silence? He did just write this article. I don’t understand how it shows who he is for, or IF he is for any of the candidates. (Did you read Shane’s book by the way – its excellent. A real encouragement to Christians during the election process.)
          I don’t think he is singling out Trump. I think he is questioning Christians who are voting for Trump; he is trying to understand what about this man could in any way appeal to a follower of Jesus.

          • JC is a lefty

            Perfectly put

    • Ryan

      American Christianity has been watered down to a political movement that can be bought by pandering political candidates because American Christians have spent more time operating in a spirit of fear, anger, being offended and defending their faith than they have praying for the leaders of this country and being the change they want to see. Perhaps a little more quiet time/living sacrifice and a lot less Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck would be a good start.

      • Katie1011

        Spot on Ryan!! I totally agree.

    • EA Harding

      When you are either complicit or actively support a person who does evil, their sin falls also on you. You know Christ and are thus forgiven but by supporting Drumpf you are hating your brothers and sisters and do societal violence upon those who Christ called upon us to help: the poor, the marginalized, the disenfranchised, the prisoners, the foreigners, the orphans and the widows. You grieve God and His Son with your support of this lying narcissist who would see harm come to thousands upon thousands of your neighbors. You have drunk the lies and swallowed them whole. May God have mercy upon us all if this lunatic wins.

      • JC is a lefty

        Amen 100% spot on

      • SamHamilton

        Doesn’t every candidate “do evil” in the sense that they all sin? Does that mean because I voted for that person I’m complicit in their sin? I don’t think this theology is quite right.

      • JC is a lefty

        Amen you are 100% correct

    • Olivia

      Do you really think he’s the best for the job with what we’re working with? I think Christians should be terrified that Trump is willing to ban all Muslims. What a horrifying precedence to set. What happens when the government decides to ban us??? I would never ever side with someone who is willing to discriminate so heavily based on religious beliefs, and it makes me feel sick when a Christian says they will vote for Trump because they refuse to not vote. Discrimination against religion is what we fight against in other countries. Why would we invite it into our own?

      I encourage you to evaluate your morals and ethics before you decide to vote. Does anything Trump stands for align with what you truly believe is moral, ethical, and good? If you find that your beliefs to line up with Trump’s, then please, vote for him. But I would discourage voting for the sake of “not NOT voting” if he doesn’t sit right with your moral fibers. I promise you, if a democrat wins, our country will not be worse off then it would be with Trump.

      • Katie1011

        Oh my goodness…. Thank you all for telling me I’m immoral for voting. I have so much to say yet, I see it as worthless and a waste of time to sit here and do that. I’m just going to say we are going to agree to disagree. Keep judging away but there’s no changing my mind. Peace out y’all

        • Olivia

          I apologize, I don’t mean to imply you’re immoral for voting.. What I’m trying to say is that Trump is likely far beneath your moral standards. Surely you don’t stand for discrimination against people because of religion or degradation of women and minorities, or just the general disrespect he has for people who he considers beneath him. As a country, I think we’re too good, too sophisticated, and too loving of diversity and humanity to have Trump as our president. That’s the only reason I’m encouraging you to think twice before voting for him.
          Again, I’m sorry. I certainly didn’t mean to question your morals.

  • JC is a lefty

    Excellent outreach Shane. Amen

    • otrotierra

      Indeed, an incredibly important outreach and missions effort.

      • Blerg

        Max Lucado also wrote an excellent piece about demanding our candidates be decent. Trump is not decent.

        • craig

          Niether is Hillary

          • Blerg

            This wasn’t about Hillary.

        • otrotierra

          Indeed, facing this essential truth is so outrageously offensive.

  • Francis Lajeunesse

    Myself I like Carson, but if having to vote between Hilary or Trump I will have to choose Trump.

    Reason: Hilary’s progressive agenda will get pushed through the House and the Senate the same way Obama’s does. Fear, Republicans fear what the media does to them each time they vote against Obama’s wishes. If Hilary gets in there it will be the same thing, vote against her then you will be branded as being sexist and you hate all women. She will push a pro-choice do whatever you want attitude while removing all aspects of religion and freedom from our society. She gets in the progressive agenda will be unstoppable.

    If Trump gets in, both the House and the Senate will vote against his more radical ideas, he will have to compromise to get anything through. The media will be all over him and he will be under a microscope. So unless he does an Obama and invokes executive privilege every time he doesn’t get his way, we have little to worry about.

    The comment Trump made about shooting someone and no one would care, how about Hilary? If anyone gets in her way they mysterious commit suicide or disappear off the face of the earth, and the people still worship her. Yes, worship is the only word for it as if it was anyone else they would be in jail. There should be no way that Hilary should be even running as the Democratic front runner, but she is. That should scare you far more than Trump.

    It would be better.If by some miracle Carson gets the nomination. But, I doubt that will happen.

    • redletterchristians

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    • I simply cannot comprehend this “Liberals can push through, but Trump will have to compromise” reasoning. Whether or not you agree with Obama or Clinton (or Sanders) isn’t the point. “Compromise” not only doesn’t seem to be in Trump’s vocabulary, but his rise thus far seems to disprove the idea that he will ever see the value in it.

    • WFU86

      To your last point, that’s exactly my fear. He’s a narcissist who always gets his way. I see him using executive privilege more than Obama.

    • SloVicto

      You’re afraid of Clinton’s agenda, but what can you really say about Trump’s agenda? Except for his wall, his agenda is quite vague, something he tries to hide with a lot of adjectives. He rarely says anything of substance. He won’t even say exactly how he’s going to get his wall built.

  • A.R.

    The only thing I keep hearing is “I’m voting for president, not a pastor.” But that’s a complete cop-out, for two reasons. (1) Evangelicals are all too eager in any other instance to force religion into public policy, so the excuse doesn’t wash. (2) You don’t get to ignore your ethics and morals just because the person is running for a secular office.

    • SamHamilton

      I’m assuming that when people say that they mean that they’ve accepted that no one running for public office perfectly reflects Jesus or His teachings. For example, most politicians are deceitful in some way or another. They’ve probably also realized that it’s impossible to determine what Jesus would have us do on each and every policy question. On some issues, there might not even be a moral issue at stake. So other considerations come into play. There are also questions of the role of government and the role of individuals (government sponsored violence in order to ensure justice is generally considered acceptable to Christians while individual vigilante violence is not, for example).

      What I’m trying to say is, I don’t think people are saying that we should ignore ethics when making voting decisions, but that it’s an inherently complicated decision and simply saying “I won’t vote for candidate X because he/she isn’t Jesus” doesn’t work, unless you’re going to abandon the political process altogether.

      But I guess it all depends on what people mean when they say “I’m voting for president, not pastor.” Different people might mean different things.

  • ruth

    This is one of the scariest things I’ve read in quite a while.

  • Mark Munger

    I feel compelled to mention that a very good scriptural focused and Christ centered article on the historical contributions of the conservative evangelical movement garned four (4) comments as of now , while this article about the circus we call politics has generated 80+ in the short time it’s been posted. It does make me wonder where my priorities lie?

    • WFU86

      An excellent point. I think you and I may have been two of the four.

      • Mark Munger

        I really enjoy the articles that get people thinking and interacting but sometimes it is a little discouraging when some very Christ centered and scripturaly centered articles don’t get many comments.

        • Frank

          You shouldn’t be. There are some articles I agree with and feel there is no need to comment.

          • JC is a lefty

            Proof that Frank only posts to criticise articles.

          • Frank

            I am happy to post “I agree” on articles I like if it makes you happy.

          • JC is a lefty

            Good

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  • Francis Lajeunesse

    Actually I do not watch Fox, and last time I listened to a right wing talk show Bill Clinton was in the White House, I find CSPAN is a far better place to get your information from, Though I do understand, you are fed constant lies by the media and anyone who goes against those lies is considered wrong. This is why Obama was able to get so many progressive things through while the republicans allowed it. You just proved my point. As to answering the question, my commitment to Christ leads me to not support Hilary.

    • Blerg

      Obama is hardly progressive, which means you do in fact pay attention to conservative media. Your comments parrot right-wing talking points, which are absent of truth or fact. I’m guessing you think obamacare is “progressive”. It is not – it’s a gift to the insurance industry, which is why republicans went along with it.

      Progressivism is actually closest to Christ’s teaching; but that’s not what evangelicals want. They want leaders who support their right to be selfish and self-interested.

      • Frank

        There is nothing Christlike in supporting abortion.

        There is nothing Christlike about redistribution of wealth by force.

        There is nothing Christlike about supporting, affirming and condoning sinful relationships.

        Nothing Christlike at all.

        • Blerg

          But as my other comment indicates, you can be anti-abortion, without supporting it being outlawed.

          Who is forcefully redistributing wealth? Oh, that’s right – NO one.

          Also, no one is forcing you to support, affirm or condone “sinful relationships”. I’m assuming you’re referring to gay marriage, because most evangelicals no longer care about divorce and remarriage, adults having sex before marriage, or any of a number of other sinful lifestyles.

          • Frank

            What do you think taxes are? Forceable redistribution of wealth. The dems are all for higher taxes so why don’t they voluntarily give more money to government and leave everyone else alone to do what they choose?

            And yes everyone sins but Christians shouldn’t codify sin into law.

          • Blerg

            Go live in Somalia where you don’t have to pay taxes then. “Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society.” – Oliver Wendall Holmes.

            Taxes pay for roads, police & Fire, prisons, libraries, national parks, military. Think we should get rid of all that? Sounds awesome

          • Frank

            Please. Your misrepresentations don’t serve the opinion of you well. I didn’t say no one should pay taxes. Yes taxes are good for infrastructure, to fund our security and various other common goods. The problem is that we don’t have a say how our taxes will be spent.

          • Blerg

            Yes, you do – you have a vote. I assume, since you’re obviously able to use the Internet, you are able to locate your elected representatives and speak with them about what you want. You can organize other citizens.

            But at the end of the day, you live in a large, diverse country, with competing demands. You may have to accept you are in the minority about how money is spent, and you are overruled. Don’t like it? Get more involved. Become a billionaire like Drumpf and buy your own politician.

          • Frank

            This Drumpf thing is so stupid. I can immediately disregard a statement with that disrespect in it.

            Yes we live in a society with many different types of people and interests. The government should only be involved in the issues that affect everyone.

          • Blerg

            And apparently you are the arbiter of what those issues are.

          • Frank

            No that’s what the political process is for.

          • JC is a lefty

            Well done for destroying Franks arguments with Christ like responses

          • Blerg

            Thank you. I wish he were listening though.

          • craig

            Christlike?

          • JC is a lefty

            Yep

          • craig

            Obamacare is indeed a redistribution of wealth.

          • Blerg

            I don’t think you understand what “redistribution of wealth” means.

          • craig

            Oh i do . someone paying 400 hundred a month pre obamacare. 1000 bucks after.

          • Blerg

            That makes you a terrible consumer or you work for a terrible employer.

          • craig

            Sorry. Wrong again

        • JC is a lefty

          Yes Christ hates money going to help the poor. So stop abortions but no money to support babies with no home. Pro birth not pro life defo

          • Frank

            We are called to give generously to the poor by choice not by force.

          • JC is a lefty

            So zero taxes eh pay for everything oh wait the poor can’t oh well ignore them as we don’t want to be forced to any money for thingd

          • Frank

            Just disabusing you of the notion that Jesus says we must force people to be generous.

          • jim

            Brother Frank thank you for being a voice of logic and speaking the truth of scripture in a desert.

      • craig

        Pro choice is as selfish as you can be. Sorry. Christ’s teachings thankfully do not line up with either political party

        • Blerg

          No, forcing others to carry rape babies or babies who are too deformed to live outside of the womb because of your personal beliefs is “as selfish as you can be.” Forcing others to adhere to their beliefs is what the Taliban does.

          Btw, I’m not “pro-abortion”, I just happen to think there are better ways to address the problem than legislatively. When you make abortion illegal, you aren’t stopping abortion. You are just making it unsafe. You want more Kermit Gosnells? Outlaw abortion.

          • Frank

            Only 3% of all abortions are due to rape, incest, to save the life of the mother and the inviability of the child. No doubt considerations would be made in these cases.

          • Blerg

            Not if people like Rafael Cruz or Marco Rubio have their way.

          • Frank

            Be pragmatic. There is no way that every single abortion will be outlawed.

          • Blerg

            Marco Rubio specifically said there should be no exceptions. I believe Cruz did too, but I can’t remember the exact quote.

            Hard-line pro-lifers say there should never be an exception – if the mother dies, that’s “God’s will”. I don’t want those people making the decisions.

          • Frank

            Yes they say that but they will never be able to achieve that.

            Dems say they will do everything to expand abortion access. Total deal breaker for anyone who says they follow Christ.

          • Blerg

            I would make the same argument. Dems say they want to expand abortion access, but because of people like you, in many places in this country, poor women have to drive hours, spend thousands of dollars, and put themselves in harms way to get access to a legal, safe procedure.

          • Frank

            Oh boo hoo that they have to inconvenience themselves to kill off the child they created by their own choices instead of being a moral, ethical, mature adult and face their responsibilities.

          • Blerg

            That response is exactly why people are fleeing the church, turning from God, and fearing the rise of the American Tealiban. Your lack of empathy and love for others is what shines through your words, not your supposed love of Christ.

          • Frank

            Empathy and love? What is empathetic and loving about killing an innocent, vulnerable unborn child, who didn’t ask to be created, because having to care for it would be difficult? Please. It’s unconscionable.

            And people are completely responsible for their own choices in life.

          • Blerg

            Good. I’m sure Jesus smiles at you hating the sinner and the sin. Hope he show you the same kind of mercy you show others for their “choices”.

          • Frank

            Once again your misrepresentation doesn’t serve you well.

            No one hates sinners. One doesn’t have to make excuses for them to have compassion even when they show no compassion themselves through their action.

          • Blerg

            You can righteously pretend to not be hateful, but if you search the scriptures, you will see your attitude is not christ-like. Stop judging others and worry about your own sinfulness.

          • Frank

            What exactly is not Christlike about my attitude?

            We can and should work on our own sins as well as be very concerned about the lives of others. Sin damages people so if we truly love people we speak into their actions and behaviors. Judging requires more that just doing that. Judges sentence, we are not called to do that. That’s God job.

          • craig

            This whole blog post worries about other peoples sinfullness. Who is shane or any of you to judge who people vote for. Why is the same exact question not answered of Hillary? All credibility is lost

          • Blerg

            Obamacare covers Hillary Derangement Syndrome.

          • craig

            Trump derangement syndrome as well

          • jim

            So you are telling Frank to stop judging other, right? At least that is what it says right above this post. Would it be fair to say that you are judging Frank? The merry go round, does go round and round. God save us, for we do not know how to save ourselves.

          • Blerg

            I’m not judging Frank, I’m suggesting he worry about the log in his own eye before worrying about the speck in someone else’s.

          • JC is a lefty

            Amen

          • JC is a lefty

            Amen Often these guys are pro war. Would they abort a baby if they new the baby would become the next Hitler?

          • craig

            Lack of empathy? Where is the empathy for the unborn. I feel so bad that someone was irresponsible and now they might have to actually inconvenience themself to have an abortion. People are leaving the church because it has become wishy washy

          • Blerg

            No, they have left because the church no longer preaches the gospel, or practices the teachings of Christ. Ross Douthat wrote a great book a few years ago about the heresies of the modern American church. I think he did a great job laying out the problem.

          • SamHamilton

            I see what you did. Rafael Cruz… Sorta like Barack Hussein Obama. They’re not like us, right? Shame.

          • Blerg

            “Shame” for saying his name? Ok, whatevs.

          • craig

            Exactly. He didn’t even acknowledge the rest

          • SamHamilton

            Forcing others to adhere to their beliefs is what the Taliban does.

            Oh stop. Forcing others to adhere to other people’s beliefs is what we do every time we pass a law that is not unanimously supported.

          • JC is a lefty

            Excellent points

      • JC is a lefty

        Correct

    • SamHamilton

      People on the left assume that no one could possibly form an alternative view to their own without being spoon-fed something from Fox News, or Faux News or Fox Snooze or whatever the handy put down of the day is. Telling someone on the right to stop watching Fox News is basically just a lazy way of saying “I don’t want to provide facts to dispute what you just said, so I’m going to insult you.”

  • DoorMan Dave

    I am not a Trump supporter but I am wondering Shane Claiborne, who do you support?

    • SamHamilton

      Well, his book says “Jesus for President”…

  • Daniel Olson

    I see flaws with every candidate. Almost every one of them has some policy that I see as a deal breaker. These deal breakers all have to do with how we relate to each other and the world around us. I do think each of the candidates has GOOD ideas, as well, (even Trump) just not enough of them.

    Abortion is a horrible thing, and while I cannot support the policy of abortion on demand, it is currently the law of the land, and NO candidate stands a chance on making even moderate adaptations to protect life. Therefor > It doesn’t enter into my voting thought process. Changes to protect life must come from a grassroots understanding of the miracle and value of life… Something EVERY Republican candidate abandons as soon as the topic drifts from abortion.
    Cruz wants to carpet bomb the middle east….random murder against those we are told to “bless and love”., and DEAL BREAKER
    Trump said we need to: “… take out their families” (????) TOTAL DEAL BREAKER
    More than half of Rubio’s (and all the other’s) policies are in conflict with the gospel he speaks so highly of. Here are just a few
    1. unchallenged gun rights. No Christian should be leading the battle on unquestioned 2nd amendment gun rights.. let alone calling those rights “sacred”
    2. standing with Israel.. regardless of their actions. (it’s not even an OLD testament principle)
    3. stricter immigration policies, no help for Syrian refugees (many of which are not even Muslim)
    4 repealing Obamacare. regardless of having nothing better to replace it with.

    My support for Bernie Sanders is not based on the idea that he is going to “make everything free”. (Surely that would be a slow uphill battle, with little to no support…. and I believe his more radical policies fail to cultivate personal responsibility). But my support IS based on the HOPE that someone who truly has a HEART to HELP people might actually be placed an a position of power that will allow him do that. Bernie is the real deal… no scandals, no flip-flopping. A candidate that can actually ADMIT when he has made an error. A candidate who’s nomination and or election might encourage the little guy into thinking “Hey I CAN make a difference. I do have a shot” The inspiration that a Bernie Sanders administration could have would be unparalleled in this century. That’s the kind of inspiration we need. And we need to fix THIS country before we further stick our nose into the business of our overseas neighbors.

    • redletterchristians

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    • Frank

      You are wrong. Abortion restrictions have saved lives and will continue to do so.

      • Daniel Olson

        Frank… you are again maligning someone for something they never said. Doesn’t it get tiring… all this “accusing of the brethren”?
        To make it clearer for you I will change one phrase.
        “….and NO candidate stands a chance on making even moderate ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS to protect life”

        • Frank

          Not true. Any Scotus nominee can have a profound effect on protecting life, especially our next president. If there was ever a time to be a single issue voter, this is the time.

  • JC is a lefty

    Anybody but trump

    Lots of talk on abortion and how to vote for some OK with abortion is not acting like Jesus. I hope these same “pro life” people support an end to the death penalty, and end to to massive military spending and nukes. An end to all death policies just wars etc.. As you know it is pro life.

    With regards to abortion I hope it is fine to force women to not have control of their bodies and massive funds set aside for orphanages and baby transfer programmes to those who cannot have children and want children. Without funding then this so called pro life ideology is a falsehood.

    If all women voted against abortion I am all for it. It is their bodies not us men no matter how we try and spin it.

  • Jody Been

    So — I am genuinely trying to understand how a committed Christian would be compelled to support Donald Trump [OR Hillary Clinton].

  • Kathy Terpstra

    Shane, please share the reasonable answers you get. I’m not interested in a bunch of talking points but I would like to understand the thinking of those who have taken the time to really consider everything and believe this is an person and agenda Christians should support.

    • SamHamilton

      I would appreciate that too.

  • JC is a lefty

    Anyone who says abortion is for convenience obviously do not know anything about child birth or raising children. They should go to school and learn.

    From a biblical perspective in the OT God committed abortions and at times instructed his followers to commit abortions on enemies killing all enemy children. So God must indeed judge himself if he judges all people who do and support abortion.

    Thanks!

    • SamHamilton

      When people say most abortions are done out of convenience, what they mean is that most abortions aren’t done because the mother’s health is seriously at risk or because the child is severely deformed and wouldn’t live long after birth or something like that. Most abortions take place because the parent/parents would have to make sacrifices for the child they aren’t willing to make (i.e. it’s inconvenient to let the pregnancy come to term).

      • JC is a lefty

        Which is my point giving birth and raising children is hard it is a very cowardly low blow to call it included inconvenience

        • SamHamilton

          Yes, giving birth and raising children is hard work. It can be inconvenient at times. My children make demands on me and restrict me from doing the things I want to do like no other human beings do. No one denies that. But people have been bearing and raising children in far worse conditions than people currently living in Europe and North America. And most abortions take place merely because parents don’t want to make the sacrifices that parenthood entails. That’s what people mean by abortion of convenience.

          • JC is a lefty

            Easy for you and me as parents it is very easy and cowardly to point fingers and cry abortion for convenience when we know nothing about them. Men have no right whatsoever to tell women what they should do none whatsoever as someone who was with his wife throughout the birth process I know full well how awful the experience is. So nothing inconvenient about avoided this at all also it assumes the mother does not think about the choice itself it is not like tossing a coin which is what the so called pro life anti abortionists make out.

          • JC is a lefty

            Of course the God of the Bible did and commanded abortions

          • SamHamilton

            Why do you assume it is easy for me as a parent when you nothing about my situation? You act as if I can’t empathize at all with other parents or have no clue what child birth or parenting entails. Be careful.

            Is the issue to you the specific word “convenience?” Convenience does connote a certain triviality to it all. How about “sacrifice?” Most abortions take place because the parents don’t want to make the sacrifices that raising a child entails. Is that better? Or is that “cowardly” too?

            Men have just as much “right” to have a say in abortion laws as anyone else.

          • JC is a lefty

            Why do you assume abortion is an inconvenience when you know nothing about their situations? We men can say what we like but women have control of their bodies not you are me. Yes it is cowardly to condemn women who make these tough choices.

        • craig

          Hardly. They made the choice to give in to sexual sin. There are plenty of ways to prevent a pregnancy. Why should anyone have to support this reckless and selfish attitude.

          • JC is a lefty

            Is every time a lady wants an abortion due to sexual sin? You God now? The judgements from the “pro life” group are very clear. The fact you think that giving birth and raising children is not hard proves how little you know about the issue. I wonder how many of the “pro lifers” would want to pay extra tax to support these unaborted babies? If they do not want to pay extra tax then it is clear the “pro lifers” are s of righteous and the ones with selfish attitudes. I also wonder if abortion is so bad why God committed abortions and encouraged abortions in the Old Testament?

          • craig

            I have 2 young girls. Its called taking responsibility. I know you think that’s unfair

          • JC is a lefty

            I pray they never get in a situation where they have to have an abortion. Support not condemnation is needed. Nothing about me thinking this is not fair are you the widge samhamilton is talking about putting words in people’s mouths

          • SamHamilton

            I’ve yet to meet anyone who thinks giving birth or raising children isn’t hard. No on here is saying that. What those who oppose abortion believe is that the difficulty in raising children should not be excuse to end a pregnancy. It’s weird…you put words in other people’s mouth just like Widge did.

          • JC is a lefty

            But you just said it is inconvenient. It is is not an easy decision to abort a child like you claim it is. Inconvenient yah right. What is this widge thing ?

          • craig

            If murder is so bad why did God condone it in the OT. I guess I will keep my guns and defend myself.

          • JC is a lefty

            Yep kill away

          • craig

            I guess only your examples of the God of the old testament are justified. You also just tipped your hand Widge. We all knew it was you

  • WFU86

    Since this article was posted, I’ve spent a great deal of time trying to find redeeming quality in a Trump presidency. I think I’ve actually found one. Behind his obnoxious personality is a deal maker and that is exactly what we need. Washington has lost the ability to compromise. We need someone who understands that getting 75% of what you want is better than getting nothing. I don’t think that’s what his supporters are bargaining for, but maybe that’s a good outcome. I just wish it wasn’t packaged the way it is.

    Would welcome any thoughts.

  • jim

    So I suppose this question is directed at the author. Does God either allow, or put people in office? If the answer is affirmative, then whether it is Trump or Hillary gets into office, that was God’s plan. (Forgive me for my presumption, but I do not think Sanders, Cruz, or Rubio will make the cut). So if “your” side did not get elected, logic would say that God was a idiot for allowing “your” side not to get elected. And if we are pissed off at God for allowing or putting into office someone that we did not approve of, doesn’t that make us disobedient to the will of God?

    • Genevieve

      I can’t recommend Shane’s book enough Jim, have you read it? I think it will speak to the question you’ve posed.

  • John Alexander Innes

    Brilliant! Thank you!!

  • David Kleczek

    The reason Trump and Sanders are even in the running is because big business has corrupted the political system in this country. Trump and Sanders are the only people who are financing their own career not the Koch brothers or Wall Street. Until the Republican and Democratic parties realize that the average American is fed up with watching people starve in this country because of no jobs or jobs that pay so little people barely survive. I don’t blame Trump for his narcissistic attitude or the fact that he is able to go as far as he has in the Republican Party. The political and judicial system in this country is so corrupt that unless we change our corporate attitudes this country as we know it will die in anarchy

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